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Re: The Choice: IPv4 Exhaustion or Transition to IPv6
From: Iljitsch van Beijnum <iljitsch () muada com>
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 00:11:35 +0200
On 28-jun-2007, at 21:55, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:
More precisely, I don't see any reason why it would take significantly less. In fact, it can't take much less, no matter what. Figure two years for the basic design, 3-5 years for the IETF (or whomever) to engineer all the pieces (it's more than just the IP header, and until we have a new design we won't even be able to start identifying the pieces), 3 years for design/code/test (in the NANOG world, that includes new ASICs, line cards, etc.), and 3-5 years for much existing gear (routers, end systems, etc.) to be replaced with the IPvN stuff. That adds up to 11-15.
That assumes that the next next IP will be as different from IPv6 (and IPv4) as IPv6 is from IPv4. I don't think that's necessary. Most of the complications in the IPv4->IPv6 transition come from the fact that addresses are now 128 bits long where they used to be 32 bits long. If the new protocol also uses 128 bit addresses, all the stuff that lives at layer 4 and above can probably be fooled into thinking that it's talking IPv6 while the packets are actually IPv9.
Sure, IPv6 isn't the best design we could have, but it's good enough and until we can agree on address policies that make more sense than "everyone with a few thousand dollars/euros to spend can get a seat at the top of the routing hierarchy", we should probably steer clear of inventing new IP versions.
Current thread:
- Re: The Choice: IPv4 Exhaustion or Transition to IPv6, (continued)
- Re: The Choice: IPv4 Exhaustion or Transition to IPv6 John Curran (Jun 28)
- Re: The Choice: IPv4 Exhaustion or Transition to IPv6 Randy Bush (Jun 28)
- Re: The Choice: IPv4 Exhaustion or Transition to IPv6 Steven M. Bellovin (Jun 28)
- Re: The Choice: IPv4 Exhaustion or Transition to IPv6 brett watson (Jun 28)
- Re: The Choice: IPv4 Exhaustion or Transition to IPv6 Randy Bush (Jun 28)
- Re: The Choice: IPv4 Exhaustion or Transition to IPv6 Steven M. Bellovin (Jun 28)
- Re: The Choice: IPv4 Exhaustion or Transition to IPv6 Bora Akyol (Jun 28)
- Re: The Choice: IPv4 Exhaustion or Transition to IPv6 Valdis . Kletnieks (Jun 28)
- Re: The Choice: IPv4 Exhaustion or Transition to IPv6 Bora Akyol (Jun 28)
- Re: The Choice: IPv4 Exhaustion or Transition to IPv6 Steven M. Bellovin (Jun 28)
- Re: The Choice: IPv4 Exhaustion or Transition to IPv6 Iljitsch van Beijnum (Jun 28)
- Re: The Choice: IPv4 Exhaustion or Transition to IPv6 Simon Leinen (Jun 29)
- Re: The Choice: IPv4 Exhaustion or Transition to IPv6 Andy Davidson (Jun 29)
- Re: The Choice: IPv4 Exhaustion or Transition to IPv6 Bob Snyder (Jun 29)
- Re: The Choice: IPv4 Exhaustion or Transition to IPv6 Joe Abley (Jun 28)
- Re: The Choice: IPv4 Exhaustion or Transition to IPv6 Stephen Satchell (Jun 29)
- Re: The Choice: IPv4 Exhaustion or Transition to IPv6 Iljitsch van Beijnum (Jun 30)
- Re: The Choice: IPv4 Exhaustion or Transition to IPv6 Mark Andrews (Jun 30)
- Re: The Choice: IPv4 Exhaustion or Transition to IPv6 JORDI PALET MARTINEZ (Jun 30)
- Re: The Choice: IPv4 Exhaustion or Transition to IPv6 Justin M. Streiner (Jun 28)