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Re: [policy] When Tech Meets Policy...


From: Robert Bonomi <bonomi () mail r-bonomi com>
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 06:58:31 -0500 (CDT)


From owner-nanog () merit edu  Mon Aug 13 20:15:50 2007
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:37:09 -0500
From: Carl Karsten <carl () personnelware com>
To: nanog () merit edu
Subject: Re: [policy] When Tech Meets Policy...


J Bacher wrote:

Carl Karsten wrote:

That is, if you extend domains on credit w/o any useful accountability
of the buyer and this results in a pattern of criminality then the
liability for that fraud should be shared by the seller. 

I am not sure tasting is criminal or fraud.

You got what you ordered. You used it.  You pay for it.  It's that simple.

That doesn't make anything criminal or fraud any more than free samples.  If a 
registrar wants to give a refund, I don't see anything wrong with that.

It is not even close to that simple,

In and of itself, 'tasting' is neither criminal, nor fraudulent.

*HOWEVER*, available evidence suggests that a large proportion of 'tasting'
_is_ done "in furtherance/support of" criminal/fraudulent activities.

Registry operator data indicates that less than _six-tenths of one perecent_
of 'tasted' domains are kept by the taster.

Analysis of data from another registry operator suggests that that operator
is now processing roughly 3.25 _million_ *unpalatable* (i.e., _will_ be
returned) 'tasting' domain registrations =per=day=. 

IF we postulate there are 100 million registered names with that operator,
then the annualized number of _returned_ 'tasting' registrations is around
TEN TIMES the total number of registered domain names.

_IF_ the registry operator is at least breaking even on the entire registration
process -- 'real domains' plug 'tasting' -- then it would seem that the 
registry-operator fee for registration of a domain registration could be 
reduced _by_a_factor_of_ten_, if tasting was the same price as a real 
registration.

On the other hand, if the free tasting is 'out of hand' to the point where
registry operators are 'in the red' due to the 'incremental' costs thereof,
*that* problem also needs to be addressed.  Life could be _really_ interesting
if a registry operator contract came up for renewal, and _nobody_ bid.

Anybody with _reasonable_ "plan ahead" skills can live with a week between
name registration submission, and the name going 'live' -- given that they do
know, _immediately_ that the registration is successful.  Those who have
'urgent' need should pay a premium for 'expidited' service -- and those who
have a _legitimate_ need for such service will not balk at paying a 
significant premium for that service. It _IS_ worth 'big bucks' to them,
because, even at that price, it is '_much_ cheaper than the alternative'. 

I'd suggest:
  1) one week latency between registration and entry into the TLD nameservers.
  2) 50% (of 1-year registration fee) 'penalty' for cancelling the registration
     before it hits the TLD servers.
  3) $250 'surcharge' (to registrant) for 'immediate' _irrevocable_ recording 
     in the TLD nameservers,  25% of that surcharge to be retained by the
     registrar, 25% to the registry operator, and 50% to IANA.



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