RE: redefining which infrastructure is the proble [was: Re: On-going ..]

["Rod Beck" <Rod.Beck () hiberniaatlantic com>]

Hi John, 

No where in that email did I say Spamhaus was an American organization. 

So let's not be petty. 

As for Spamahaus' professionalism, I would be point that some organizations that use opt-in list still get hit by 
Spamhaus either because the end users complained after apparently 
1. forgetting that they had opted into the list
2. or they changed their mind. 

Many of the biggest publishing houses now run their email operations overseas precisely because they are tired of 
dealing with Spamhaus complaints

The question is how is to achieve accountability. 

I don't think volunteer organizations are ideal from an accountability point of view. 

Regards, 

Roderick S. Beck
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-----Original Message-----
From: John Levine [mailto:johnl () iecc com]
Sent: Mon 4/2/2007 3:03 PM
To: nanog () nanog org
Cc: Rod Beck
Subject: Re: redefining which infrastructure is the proble [was: Re: On-going  ..]
 

> I rarely post, but that is clearly a problem. The Americans seem to
> believe in the presumption of guilt and the infallibility of
> accusation. As an American born and bred I can hardly be accused of
> bias.

> Clearly spam is a serious problem in terms of draining network
> resources, but organizations like Spamhaus don't even do an
> investigation.

Even if this were on-topic, don't you think it would a good idea to
make at least a cursory attempt to get your facts straight?  Spamhaus
is located in the UK, I personally know multiple Spamhaus volunteers
who spend vast amounts of time resarching their blacklist entries,
and they put large dossiers on their web site to document them.

ObOperations: Spamhaus publishes a drop list of IP ranges intended for
your router that I heartily recommend.  It is much smaller than their
mail blacklist, chosen to include only network ranges with no
socically redeeming value at all.

R's,
John


Hi Joe, 

I know some organizations that use opt-in list and yet got complaints either because the end users complained after 
apparently 
1. forgetting that they opted into the list
2. or they changed their mind. 

Many of the biggest publishing houses now run their email operations overseas precisely because they are tired dealing 
with Spamhaus. 

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