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Re: So -- what did happen to Panix?
From: John Payne <john () sackheads org>
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:49:07 -0500
On Jan 30, 2006, at 5:02 AM, Richard A Steenbergen wrote:
On Mon, Jan 30, 2006 at 09:48:13AM +0000, Michael.Dillon () btradianz com wrote:Wouldn't a well-operated network of IRRs used by 95% of network operators be able to meet all three of your requirements?We have such a database (used by Verio and others), but the Panixincidenthappened anyway due to bit rot. We've got to find a way to fix thelayer 8problems before we can make improvements at layer 3.If an IRR suffers from bit-rot, then I don't consider it to be "well-operated" and therefore it cannot be considered to be part of a well-operated network of IRRs. The point is that the tools exist. The failing is in how those tools are managed. In other words this is an operational problem on both the scale of a single IRR and on the scale of the IRR system. Is this what you mean by a "layer 8" problem?Take it up with the people putting data into the system, not the IRR operators. Anyone who is behind an IRR-based provider (like Verio) has motivation to put data into the system ("hey look I do this and nowrouting works"), but there is no motivation to take stale data OUT of thesystem.
It gets even more fun if you're delegating route-origination to 3rd parties. Add a mnt-routes: so they can create a route object, but then you can't remove that inetnum block whilst their route object exists (nor remove the mnt-routes).
*sigh*
Current thread:
- Re: So -- what did happen to Panix? John Payne (Feb 01)
- <Possible follow-ups>
- Re: So -- what did happen to Panix? Nick Feamster (Feb 03)
- Re: So -- what did happen to Panix? Josh Karlin (Feb 03)
- Re: So -- what did happen to Panix? Christopher L. Morrow (Feb 04)
- Re: So -- what did happen to Panix? Nick Feamster (Feb 04)
- Re: So -- what did happen to Panix? Joe Provo (Feb 05)
- Re: So -- what did happen to Panix? Martin Hannigan (Feb 05)
- Re: So -- what did happen to Panix? Nick Feamster (Feb 05)
- Re: So -- what did happen to Panix? Martin Hannigan (Feb 05)
- Re: So -- what did happen to Panix? Martin Hannigan (Feb 06)
- Re: So -- what did happen to Panix? Nick Feamster (Feb 07)
- Re: So -- what did happen to Panix? Josh Karlin (Feb 03)