Re: Schneier: ISPs should bear security burden

["Robert M. Enger" <enger () comcast net>]

It's not a buck a meg.

15/2 service is about $45/month:

        over $3/Mbps downstream
        over $22/Mbps for the upstream


30/5 service is almost $200/month:

        over   $6/Mbps downstream
        about $40/Mbps for the upstream



There should be a little money in their model to
provide guidance and/or software to the consumer.
Hopefully enough to fund an aggressive abuse department.





At 05:34 PM 4/30/2005, you wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 27, 2005 at 03:07:47AM -0700, Owen DeLong wrote:
> > > Sound about right?
> > No, not at all.
> >
> > I'm not advocating a wild west every man for himself, but, I think that
> > solving end-node oriented problems at the transport layer is equally
> > absurd.
> >
> > It's like expecting to be able to throw crude oil into a tanker at
> > one end and demanding that the trucker deliver gasoline at the other.
>
> Owen, I may be wrong... but it sounds to me like half the people in this
> conversation are talking about things *the retail gas station ought to
> do*, assuming that the people on the other side realize this, and the
> other side is reacting as if the first group is advocating that
> *refineries and pipeline operators* ought to be doing those things.
>
> Certainly backbone ops shouldn't be doing this sort of filtering, and
> if you're big enough and willing to pay enough, you ought to be able to
> get a hose free of such filters.
>
> But *what you're paying for* there is the right to pollute the commons,
> and no, people paying $1/MB's for their Verizon FTTH connection
> probably ought not to expect a raw unfiltered connection. 
>
> It's not *just* about bandwidth...
>
> Cheers,
> -- jra
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