RE: Cisco moves even more to china.

[Joseph <mangg () yahoo com>]

Hello Erik,

 Although I agree with you on many points I think its time people stop complaining and take action. My point was not to 
idly complain about the outsourcing trend and claim that protectionism is the answer but, to ask if there is a better 
way to deal with the long term trend for ALL of us. Boycotting is just one way to send a message rather than simply 
complaining. 




  Your perception of Americans I think is very skewed by the media. You obviously did not read my post and wanted take 
a cheap shot. Many Americans like myself have always been fighting for equity, fairness and democracy from the 
beginning in all our activities. Try not to equate a people with what you read and hear in the media and realize they 
have much more diversity of opinion than is portrayed therein. I argue we BOTH American and international workers (that 
means you) need to change the system so that we are all treated fairly. I don't think this is an off the wall ideal. 
But to each his own. 




  Hmmm. I had no idea there were only 2 networking companies, 1 database and 1 OS. =) With the rich competitive nature 
of the market I will continue to support companies which conform to a baseline of ethical business practice for all 
workers worldwide. 



With deepest respect,

J


Erik Haagsman <erik () we-dare net> wrote:On Fri, 2004-09-24 at 03:53, Joseph wrote:
> Its time for all American Tech workers to stand up and let our voices
> be heard.

Perhaps it's time instead to make sure you're good at what you do and
try to be on the forefront of tech, rather than whining about how all
those bad people from abroad are stealing your job. It's largely our own
fault labour pricing in large outsourcing countries like India are so
low, and now it's coming back to bite some of us.

> We as world citizens need to come to grips with the fact that we must
> compete with workers internationally but we should be doing so on FAIR
> playing field. 

Strangely people only start calling for a level, fair playing field when
they feel something's threatening their own little piece of the cake. If
most companies and governments we're happy to work for wouldn't have
been undermining other people's economies for ages, we wouldn't have
this problem and we would have a more or less fair playing field. But
now practices that we still are making money of is making our companies
stronger, but our workforce weaker, so in the long term probably our
overall economy will be weaker. Anyone else see the irony here..?

> Don't Support Outsourcing, Don't buy from companies that outsource US
> jobs.

Hmm...let me see now, no Juniper, no Cisco, no Oracle, no Microsoft,
basically not a single vendor left...ah yes, we should just stop working
completely and dismantle the Internet, that might just do the trick.

Cheers,

Erik

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