Re: [nanog] Re: The worst abuse e-mail ever, sverige.net

["Dan Mahoney, System Admin" <danm () prime gushi org>]

On Thu, 23 Sep 2004, Lars-Johan Liman wrote:

> paul () xtdnet nl:
> > Correction, the world *can't* let you be a well functioning
> > exception.
> > People always scream 'no censorship', but there is only that many more
> > mail servers and preprocessing machines you can throw at a $20/month
> > account.
>
> Hmm. "You get what you pay for.", you mean? I can
>
> If you mean that if I pay enough money, I can get a DSL (or even
> leased line) service with fixed IP address, and proper rDNS, that is
> not filtered by recipient MTAs. Sure. I probably could -
> theoretically.
>
> > the real question is, how much money is it worth it for you. But
> > don't put to blame on us for not adding another rack of mailservers
> > so people like you can get their mail out.
>
> I'm opposed to marketing systems that actively (means it costs them
> money) put in restrictions in systems to make me pay more to have
> them remove it again.
>
> It's not worth the 5-fold amount that they will charge me, but if I
> can't use the 'net propersly, it might not be worth connecting to at
> all, so they'll lose me as customer.
>
> One port blocked is not much to quarrel over in practice, but this is
> a trend. Mail goes first. Web comes next ("we funnel all your web
> traffic through our cache"). VOIP is around the corner. It's like a
> phone system where the won't let you call anyone on the phone
> system. "If you want to call to this part of the world, you will have
> to call through our listening station, and if you don't want to do
> that, you can buy our premium service for $200 per minute." Sorry, it
> doesn't strike me as tempting at all.

If that's the case, then you learn to rise above it with tunneling, IPSEC, 
VPN or any of a number of technologies that have been around for the past 
ten years.  And yes, this requires a box on the outside.  We're in the era 
of the $50 a month dedicated server, here.  If you're trying to put a 
commercial grade service on a consumer grade line, deal with it.

This is getting really far off-topic at this point.  We're clear people 
are of two opinions on things, and nobody's going to change their mind.

Anyone care to let it rest?

-Dan

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