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Fixing stuff (was Re: short Botnet list and Cashing in on DoS)
From: Sean Donelan <sean () donelan com>
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 07:01:11 -0400 (EDT)
On Sat, 9 Oct 2004, Gadi Evron wrote:
And I know people who mail abuse reports for hundreds of such *lists*, something /rarely/ gets done.
Easily over 1 million computers are being fixed every year. But compared to the success rate of the bot writers, the anti-bot tools fall far behind. Some people estimate between 10 million and 30 million new bots have been created this year. That number is probably a bit low, China was estimating 58% of business computers were infected. Heck, even Bill Gate's PC was compromised by mal-ware. I wonder if he fixed his computer himself, or had someone do it for him. http://www.cornellsun.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2004/10/07/4164c6695f58d Now I know exactly what you're thinking. Why not just skip the drama and move back into the dorms? Well, I don't know if I could stand another year of Resnet, CIT, and the kill-me-please psychological repercussions of both fiendish institutions. Twelve hours spent on hold for PC support and virus cleaning that eventually led to the total erasure of my entire hard drive a week before finals? I think that particular escapade, like death, classifies as one of those rare, once-in-a-lifetime experiences that I will never want to go through again. Masking infections is only a partial answer. As long as the computer is compromised, it can be taken over again in new ways. Going from fixing a million PCs a year to fixing 30 million (and probably more) PCs a year, needs to move beyond just sending complaints. Why don't people want to fix their computers? And even worse, why are so many people unsuccessfull fixing their computers? If it was as simple as making more lists, the problem would be solved. Lots of people are making lists, and the problem still hasn't been solved. So perhaps we need something new. There needs to be easy, non-technical things ordinary users can do to fix their computers, without losing all their files and spending hours on the phone with tech support. If virus writes are smart enough to infect their computers with one-click, perhaps the good guys can come up with ways to fix their computer with one-click. Sorry Grandma, you've just lost all the digital pictures of your grandkids growing up.
Current thread:
- RE: short Botnet list and Cashing in on DoS, (continued)
- RE: short Botnet list and Cashing in on DoS Hannigan, Martin (Oct 07)
- Re: [nanog] RE: short Botnet list and Cashing in on DoS Dan Mahoney, System Admin (Oct 07)
- Re: short Botnet list and Cashing in on DoS Gadi Evron (Oct 07)
- Re: short Botnet list and Cashing in on DoS Paul Vixie (Oct 07)
- Re: short Botnet list and Cashing in on DoS Randy Bush (Oct 07)
- RE: short Botnet list and Cashing in on DoS Drew Weaver (Oct 08)
- Re: short Botnet list and Cashing in on DoS Matthew S. Hallacy (Oct 08)
- Re: short Botnet list and Cashing in on DoS Gadi Evron (Oct 08)
- Re: short Botnet list and Cashing in on DoS Matthew S. Hallacy (Oct 08)
- Re: short Botnet list and Cashing in on DoS Gadi Evron (Oct 08)
- Fixing stuff (was Re: short Botnet list and Cashing in on DoS) Sean Donelan (Oct 09)
- Re: Fixing stuff (was Re: short Botnet list and Cashing in on DoS) Stephen J. Wilcox (Oct 09)
- Re: Fixing stuff (was Re: short Botnet list and Cashing in on DoS) Mikael Abrahamsson (Oct 09)
- Re: Fixing stuff (was Re: short Botnet list and Cashing in on DoS) Gadi Evron (Oct 09)
- Re: Fixing stuff (was Re: short Botnet list and Cashing in on DoS) Sean Donelan (Oct 10)
- Re: short Botnet list and Cashing in on DoS Matthew S. Hallacy (Oct 08)
- RE: short Botnet list and Cashing in on DoS Hannigan, Martin (Oct 07)
- Re: short Botnet list and Cashing in on DoS Ricardo "Rick" Gonzalez (Oct 09)
- Re: short Botnet list and Cashing in on DoS Andrew D Kirch (Oct 12)
- Re: short Botnet list and Cashing in on DoS Richard A Steenbergen (Oct 13)
- Re: short Botnet list and Cashing in on DoS David Barak (Oct 13)
- Re: short Botnet list and Cashing in on DoS william(at)elan.net (Oct 13)
- Microsoft problems? Chaim Fried (Oct 11)