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Re: "Default" Internet Service (was: Re: Points on your Internet driver's license)
From: Sean Donelan <sean () donelan com>
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 06:31:35 -0400 (EDT)
On Sun, 13 Jun 2004, John Curran wrote:
I'll argue that we have don't effective methods of dealing with this today, and it's not the lack of abuse desk people as much as the philosophy of closing barn doors after the fact. The idea that we can leave everything wide open for automated exploit tools, and then clean up afterwards manually with labor-intensive efforts is fundamentally flawed.
Selling people barn doors and barn door audits is easier than figuring out how the rustlers are getting the horses. The problem is the horses aren't being rustled(?) through the barn doors. If they were, you would expect to see a difference between barns with doors and barns without doors. But in practice, we see people with and without firewalls with infected computers. Network level controls aren't as effective as some people hope at stopping many things. ISPs should stop porn, ISPs should stop music sharing, ISPs should stop viruses, ISPs should stop <insert here>. Yet somehow users manage to find a way around all of them. What are good predictors? There aren't any great ones, but there are some. Can we use them effectively? So what makes some users more likely or less likely to have infected computers? How do they become infected, but other users don't? What's different between the two groups?
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- Re: "Default" Points on your Internet "Re: Re: Re:" Paul Vixie (Jun 14)
- Re: "Default" Points on your Internet "Re: Re: Re:" George Roettger (Jun 14)
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- Re: "Default" Points on your Internet "Re: Re: Re:" George Roettger (Jun 14)
- Re: "Default" Points on your Internet "Re: Re: Re:" Edward B. Dreger (Jun 14)
- Re: "Default" Points on your Internet "Re: Re: Re:" George Roettger (Jun 15)
- Math 011 (Re: "Default" Points on your Internet "Re: Re: Re:") Edward B. Dreger (Jun 14)
- Re: Math 011 (Re: "Default" Points on your Internet "Re: Re: Re:") Dan Hollis (Jun 15)
- Re: Math 011 (Re: "Default" Points on your Internet "Re: Re: Re:") George Roettger (Jun 15)
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- Re: Math 011 (Re: "Default" Points on your Internet "Re: Re: Re:") Rob Nelson (Jun 15)
- Re: "Default" Internet Service (was: Re: Points on your Internet driver's license) Sean Donelan (Jun 13)
- Re: "Default" Internet Service Dave Howe (Jun 13)
- Re: "Default" Internet Service (was: Re: Points on your Internet driver's license) John Curran (Jun 13)
- Re: "Default" Internet Service Dave Howe (Jun 13)
- Re: "Default" Internet Service (was: Re: Points on your Internet driver's license) John Curran (Jun 13)
- Re: "Default" Internet Service Bob K (Jun 13)
- Re: "Default" Internet Service James Edwards (Jun 13)
- Re: "Default" Internet Service (was: Re: Points on your Internet driver's license) Anthony Edwards (Jun 13)
- Re: "Default" Internet Service Matthew Sullivan (Jun 13)
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- Re: "Default" Internet Service Matthew Sullivan (Jun 13)
- Re: "Default" Internet Service Owen DeLong (Jun 14)