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Re: Even you can be hacked
From: Andy Dills <andy () xecu net>
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 17:09:14 -0400 (EDT)
On Thu, 10 Jun 2004, Laurence F. Sheldon, Jr. wrote:
Jeff Shultz wrote:But ultimately, _you_ are responsible for your own systems.Even if the water company is sending me 85% TriChlorEthane? Right. Got it. The victim is always responsible. There you have it folks.
Change the word "victim" to "negligent party" and you're correct. Ignoring all of the analogies and metaphors, the bottom line is that ISPs are _not responsible_ for the negligence of their customers, and that ISPs are _not responsible_ for the _content_ of the packets we deliver. In fact, blocking the packets based on content would run counter to our sole responsibility: delivering the well-formed packets (ip verify unicast reverse-path) where they belong. Remember, we're service providers, not content providers. Unless your AUP or customer contract spells out security services provided (most actually go the other way and limit the liability of the service provider specifically in this event), then your customers have to pay you to secure their network (unless you feel like doing it for free), or they are responsible, period. As far as I'm concerned, that guy would have a better shot at suing Microsoft then challenging his bandwidth bill. Andy --- Andy Dills Xecunet, Inc. www.xecu.net 301-682-9972 ---
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- RE: Even you can be hacked Owen DeLong (Jun 11)
- Re: Even you can be hacked Sean Donelan (Jun 10)
- Re: Even you can be hacked bmanning (Jun 10)
- Re: Even you can be hacked Jeff Shultz (Jun 10)
- Re: Even you can be hacked Robert Blayzor (Jun 10)
- Re: Even you can be hacked Andy Dills (Jun 10)
- Re: Even you can be hacked Crist Clark (Jun 10)
- Re: Even you can be hacked Owen DeLong (Jun 10)
- Re: Even you can be hacked Andy Dills (Jun 10)
- Re: Even you can be hacked Laurence F. Sheldon, Jr. (Jun 10)
- [OT] common list sense (Re: Even you can be hacked) Paul Jakma (Jun 11)
- Re: [OnTopic] common list sense (Re: Even you can be hacked) Laurence F. Sheldon, Jr. (Jun 11)
- Re: [OnTopic] common list sense (Re: Even you can be hacked) Randy Bush (Jun 11)
- Re: [OnTopic] common list sense (Re: Even you can be hacked) Paul Jakma (Jun 11)
- Re: [OnTopic] common list sense and responsibility Laurence F. Sheldon, Jr. (Jun 11)
- Re: [OnTopic] common list sense and responsibility Andy Dills (Jun 11)