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Re: Can a Customer take their IP's with them? (Court says yes!)


From: Henry Linneweh <hrlinneweh () sbcglobal net>
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 08:26:25 -0700 (PDT)


Since all NSP's, ISP's, ALEC's, BLEC's and CLEC's
adhere to this accepted behavior and there are more
than 100 I blieve the court would be on the side of
the plaintiff under the 3rd amendment of the
constitution.

It is my understanding that doing otherwise will cause
an administrative nightmare and harm to the standard
numbering system across vast segments of the industry
and would create greater security risks than at
present. It would cause enconomic harm to software
writen specifically towards the current system and
force redistribution of software and or fixes that
could be disruptive for months on end.

Worse case scenario. I think this is a bad precedent,
and poor judgement on the part of the defendent ISP,
for the small number block they have. The long term
potential harm could result in small ISP's not being
able to get number blocks thus making it more
difficult
for small companies to gain better backbone access,
from their Tier 1 host counterparts and could trigger
a potentional shakeout in the industry.

Have A nice day...

-Henry




--- "Stephen J. Wilcox" <steve () telecomplete co uk>
wrote:

Can we stop the analogies before they begin.

This is not the PSTN, comparing it to the PSTN
appears to be where the court is 
going wrong. This is the Internet.

It is internationally accepted policy that IP space
is issued under a kind of 
license that does not give ownership or
transferability. It is also part of the 
fundemental operation of the Internet that address
space remains aggregated and 
that customers borrow space from the provider and if
they move they get given 
new address space by the new provider. This is
agreed by IANA, the RIRs, the 
ISPs. 

Steve

On Tue, 29 Jun 2004, Johnny Eriksson wrote:


"Fergie (Paul Ferguson)" <fergdawg () netzero net>
wrote:

Regardless, this is not a telephony issue ("Can
I take my cell
number with me?"), as the courts as seem
disposed to diagnose
these days, but rather, a technical one insofar
as the IP routing
table efficiency.

No, this is not about taking a phone number.  This
is about a someone
moving to a new apartment in a different part of
town, and asking the
court to force the owner of the old house to
reassign the old street
address to him.

--Johnny





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