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Re: Converged Networks Threat (Was: Level3 Outage)
From: Jeff S Wheeler <jsw () five-elements com>
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 14:05:38 -0500
On Wed, 2004-02-25 at 13:34, David Meyer wrote:
Is it that sharing fate in the switching fabric (as opposed to say, in the transport fabric, or even conduit) reduces the resiliency of a given service (in this case FR/ATM/TDM), and as such poses the "danger" you describe?
Our vendors will tell us that the IP routing fabrics of today are indeed quite reliable and resistant to failure, and they may be right when it comes to hardware MTBF. However, the IP network relies a great deal more on shared/inter-domain, real-time configuration (BGP) than do any traditional telecommunications networks utilizing the tried and true technologies referenced above. Yesterday we witnessed a large scale failure that has yet to be attributed to configuration, software, or hardware; however one need look no further than the 168.0.0.0/6 thread, or the GBLX customer who leaked several tens of thousands of their peers' routes to GBLX shortly before the Level(3) event, to show that configuration-induced failures in the Internet reach much further than in traditional TDM or single vendor PVC networks. The single point of failure we all share is our reliance on a correct BGP table, populated by our peers and transit providers; and kept free of errors by those same operators. -- JSW
Current thread:
- Re: Converged Networks Threat (Was: Level3 Outage), (continued)
- Re: Converged Networks Threat (Was: Level3 Outage) Steven M. Bellovin (Feb 25)
- Re: Converged Networks Threat (Was: Level3 Outage) David Meyer (Feb 25)
- Re: Converged Networks Threat (Was: Level3 Outage) Petri Helenius (Feb 25)
- RE: Converged Networks Threat (Was: Level3 Outage) Bora Akyol (Feb 25)
- RE: Converged Networks Threat (Was: Level3 Outage) Erik Haagsman (Feb 25)
- Re: Converged Networks Threat (Was: Level3 Outage) David Meyer (Feb 25)
- Re: Converged Networks Threat (Was: Level3 Outage) Petri Helenius (Feb 25)
- Re: Converged Networks Threat (Was: Level3 Outage) Jared Mauch (Feb 25)
- Re: Converged Networks Threat (Was: Level3 Outage) Petri Helenius (Feb 25)
- Re: Converged Networks Threat (Was: Level3 Outage) Matthew Crocker (Feb 25)
- Re: Converged Networks Threat (Was: Level3 Outage) Jeff S Wheeler (Feb 25)
- Re: Converged Networks Threat (Was: Level3 Outage) Matthew Crocker (Feb 25)
- Re: Converged Networks Threat (Was: Level3 Outage) Matthew Crocker (Feb 25)
- RE: How relable does the Internet need to be? (Was: Re: Converged Network Threat) Bora Akyol (Feb 25)
- Expectations or It can't happen to me (was Re: How Reliable) Sean Donelan (Feb 26)