RE: more on filtering

[<daryl () introspect net>]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Parker [mailto:cparker () starnetusa net] 
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 11:18 AM
> To: Daryl G. Jurbala
> Subject: RE: more on filtering
[...] 
> Ah, you are a member of which bar?  :)

I knew that one was coming ;)  Actually, I mentioned in my last reply
that I happened to be on the phone with my contract attorney after I
read that post (on a completely unrelated issue.....I don't normally
burn attorney fees on NANOG threads ;).  I asked him about it
specifically.

[...]
> If I sell something to you that binds you to certain terms 
> and conditions, are you saying that you can resell that 
> someone else who is not bound to at least the same terms and 
> conditions?

Yes, it's possible.  It's a grey area....it's not quite selling
something you don't own, but it's close.  The guy I was talking to
didn't know of any specifics where someone had actually been burned by
this, other than getting slammed by their upstream.

> And that I would have no ability to enforce the 
> terms and conditions agreed to by Cust X on the use of the 
> service by Cust Y?

That's the legalese part....NO, you have no remedy against your
customer's customer.  Only against your direct customer.  That's the
point I was trying to make about the agreements not being transitive in
that way.  I'm told that specific legal point significantly adds to the
bulk of reseller agreements (although I think it's because the attorneys
get paid by the word).

OK...that's enough OT for me.

Daryl