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Re: How do you stop outgoing spam?
From: Iljitsch van Beijnum <iljitsch () muada com>
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 22:44:33 +0200 (CEST)
On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu wrote:
We don't even have to throw out SMTP - there's STARTTLS, AUTH, PGP, and so on. The problem is that we don't know how to do a PKI that will scale (note that the current SSL certificate scheme isn't sufficient, as it usually does a really poor job of handling CRLs - and the *lack* of ability to distribute a CRL (which is essentially a blacklist) is the crux of the problem.
So let everyone have their own. If you want to send me email, create a certificate for yourself. Then before you can actually tranfser messages, your system asks permission to do so, my system sends back a challenge to yours so I'm sure you haven't faked your reply address and your certificate is whitelisted. If you spam me, I can blacklist your certificate, your email address or your domain. If I handle mail for many users, I can apply some heuristics: new certificates/domains only get to send a small number of messages per hour initially or something similar.
It's not as easy as it looks.
Granted, but it's also not so hard we can't improve on a 20 year old protocol. As (nearly) always, the problem is backward compatibility. That makes it next to impossible to get something useful off the ground.
Current thread:
- Re: How do you stop outgoing spam?, (continued)
- Re: How do you stop outgoing spam? Paul Vixie (Sep 09)
- Re: How do you stop outgoing spam? Eliot Lear (Sep 09)
- Re: How do you stop outgoing spam? Rafi Sadowsky (Sep 09)
- Re: How do you stop outgoing spam? Eliot Lear (Sep 09)
- Re: How do you stop outgoing spam? Scott Francis (Sep 17)
- Re: How do you stop outgoing spam? John M. Brown (Sep 09)
- Re: How do you stop outgoing spam? alex (Sep 10)
- Re: How do you stop outgoing spam? Valdis . Kletnieks (Sep 10)
- Re: How do you stop outgoing spam? Iljitsch van Beijnum (Sep 10)
- Re: How do you stop outgoing spam? Valdis . Kletnieks (Sep 10)
- Re: How do you stop outgoing spam? Iljitsch van Beijnum (Sep 10)
- Re: How do you stop outgoing spam? Eliot Lear (Sep 09)
- Re: How do you stop outgoing spam? Vadim Antonov (Sep 10)
- Re: How do you stop outgoing spam? Paul Vixie (Sep 09)
- Re: How do you stop outgoing spam? Vadim Antonov (Sep 10)
- Re: How do you stop outgoing spam? Rafi Sadowsky (Sep 10)
- RE: How do you stop outgoing spam? Tony Hain (Sep 10)
- Re: How do you stop outgoing spam? Eliot Lear (Sep 10)
- Re: How do you stop outgoing spam? Brad Knowles (Sep 11)
- RE: How do you stop outgoing spam? Rafi Sadowsky (Sep 10)
- Re: How do you stop outgoing spam? Tim Thorne (Sep 10)
- Re: How do you stop outgoing spam? Petri Helenius (Sep 10)
- Re: How do you stop outgoing spam? Rafi Sadowsky (Sep 10)