RE: Re: KPNQwest ns.eu.net server.

["Daniska Tomas" <tomas () tronet com>]

how would you guarantee connectivity?

should each isp present should provide bandwidth as part of collocation expenses?
should the opexes be included in the colo bill?

and then - this would probably make the colo becoming a connectivity provider, wouldn't it?

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> From: Nipper, Arnold [mailto:arnold.nipper () de-cix net] 
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> Subject: Re: Re: KPNQwest ns.eu.net server.
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> As a lot of people are offering secondary services: may be 
> it's a good idea
> to place infrastructural services at IXP. IXP seem to be more 
> stable than
> any ISPs and often more neutral than ISPs.
>
> Comments?
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> Arnold
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> From: "Sabine Dolderer/Denic" <dolderer () denic de>
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> Hello,
>
> DENIC runs currently several secondarys (not only DE but also for some
> other TLDs) in different places worldwide. We are willing to offer
> secondary service for other ccTLDs. But there will be because of
> security/stability reasons a limit on the number of ccTLDs we 
> want to run
> on a single machine.
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> Sabine
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> On Thu, 6 Jun 2002 01:08:46 +0200
> Joao Luis Silva Damas <joao () ripe net> wrote:
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> > At 11:04 -0700 5/6/02, Randy Bush wrote:
> > >  > Given the current situation of KPNQwest and the possibility
> > > >  of its services going offline sometime soon, the RIPE NCC in
> > > >  agreement with KPNQwest will be temporally hosting this
> > > >  server (ns.eu.net) in its premises.
> > >
> > > nice emergency hack and sorry to whine.  but i used them both
> > > to get diversity.
> >
> > Hi Randy,
> >
> > there are 16 ccTLDs for which ns.ripe.net and ns.eu.net are both
> > secondary. So we will definitely request those ccTLDs to look for a
> > new host as soon as possible.
>
> Hi Randy, hi Joao, dear routing-wg,
>
> probably my Company (GATEL, AS13129) is able to host a secondary
> server for the ccTLDs.
>
> The question is rather what are the hardware "requirements" for the
> secondary
> server.
>
> We have sufficient bandwidth capacity available and rack 
> space as well.
>
> > The rest can take bit more time to think what they want to do since
> > ns.eu.net will keep running.
>
> Well done ! Congrats for the good ideas and coordination work.
>
> > We are offering secondary service on ns.ripe.net for any ccTLD that
> > we weren't sencodaring for, as are other people.
> >
> > The idea is not to have ns.eu.net running for ever, just to enable
> > people to have time to take rational decisions, without the fear of
> > having the server going away because of some unexpected turn of
> > events.
> >
> > > when in less of a panic, please move it to moscow or something.
> >
> > Panic? what panic? this is just common sense
>
> right. it's not panic.
>
> --jan
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