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RE: Paul's Mailfrom (Was: IETF SMTP Working Group Proposal at smtpng.org)
From: "Jeroen Massar" <jeroen () unfix org>
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 00:59:49 +0200
Randy Bush wrote:
ISP's should actually block port 25 outgoing, or even better, reroute/forward it to their own mail relay.Agreed.why not do it to port 80 as well? what the hell, why not do it to all ports? who the hell needs an internet anyway, let's all have a telco walled garden. <string of expletives> can we get back to operating the internet, not killing it? <another, even longer, string of expletives>
Nice rant Randy, but if you even ever wondered why the wording "Mail Relay" exists you might see that if an ISP simply forwards all outgoing tcp port 25 traffic to one of their relays and protects that from weird spam addresses as a source and only allowing through configured addressess it would save you, me and the rest a load of crap which maybe could "kill the internet"... We didn't invent stuff like SMTP, POP3, IMAP and stuff to be run on EVERY single node on the internet. Indeed it limits your clients, just like a NAT does, just like firewalling does, but it also saves a load of problems. And maybe your view is "operating the internet" but some people have a too busy spam/abuse@ mailbox to be able to do usefull stuff like tracing ddosses, which is yet another thing people should do but aren't doing: egress filtering. If (and if) everybody did that, we wouldn't be seeing spoofed addresses, rfc1918's and other stuff on the internet either now would we? So pointing these facts out *HAS* something to do with "operating the internet". <hint> http://as112.net/ </hint> Greets, Jeroen
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- Re: Paul's Mailfrom (Was: IETF SMTP Working Group Proposal at, (continued)
- Re: Paul's Mailfrom (Was: IETF SMTP Working Group Proposal at Paul Vixie (Aug 27)
- Re: Paul's Mailfrom (Was: IETF SMTP Working Group Proposal at Paul Vixie (Aug 27)
- Re: Paul's Mailfrom (Was: IETF SMTP Working Group Proposal at Barry Shein (Aug 27)
- Re: Paul's Mailfrom (Was: IETF SMTP Working Group Proposal at Brad Knowles (Aug 27)
- Re: Paul's Mailfrom (Was: IETF SMTP Working Group Proposal at Paul Vixie (Aug 27)
- Re: Paul's Mailfrom (Was: IETF SMTP Working Group Proposal at Brad Knowles (Aug 27)
- Re: Paul's Mailfrom (Was: IETF SMTP Working Group Proposal at smtpng.org) Jim Hickstein (Aug 27)
- Re: Paul's Mailfrom (Was: IETF SMTP Working Group Proposal at smtpng.org) Brad Knowles (Aug 28)
- Re: Paul's Mailfrom (Was: IETF SMTP Working Group Proposal at smtpng.org) Brad Knowles (Aug 26)
- Re: Paul's Mailfrom (Was: IETF SMTP Working Group Proposal at smtpng.org) Randy Bush (Aug 26)
- RE: Paul's Mailfrom (Was: IETF SMTP Working Group Proposal at smtpng.org) Jeroen Massar (Aug 26)
- Re: Paul's Mailfrom (Was: IETF SMTP Working Group Proposal at smtpng.org) John Kristoff (Aug 26)
- RE: Paul's Mailfrom (Was: IETF SMTP Working Group Proposal at smtpng.org) Jeroen Massar (Aug 26)
- Re: Paul's Mailfrom (Was: IETF SMTP Working Group Proposal at smtpng.org) John Kristoff (Aug 26)
- Re: Paul's Mailfrom (Was: IETF SMTP Working Group Proposal at smtpng.org) Martin (Aug 26)
- Re: Paul's Mailfrom (Was: IETF SMTP Working Group Proposal at smtpng.org) John Kristoff (Aug 26)
- Re: Paul's Mailfrom (Was: IETF SMTP Working Group Proposal at smtpng.org) Martin (Aug 26)
- Re: Paul's Mailfrom (Was: IETF SMTP Working Group Proposal at smtpng.org) Paul Vixie (Aug 26)
- RE: Paul's Mailfrom (Was: IETF SMTP Working Group Proposal at smtpng.org) Vivien M. (Aug 26)
- Re: Paul's Mailfrom (Was: IETF SMTP Working Group Proposal at smtpng.org) Brad Knowles (Aug 27)
- Re: Paul's Mailfrom (Was: IETF SMTP Working Group Proposal at smtpng.org) David Schwartz (Aug 26)