Re: Q: Sizes of Existing and Planned Fully Meshed IPSEC VPN (Tunnel Mode)

["Tim Bass" <bass () silkroad com>]

Yes.  Fully meshed.  N(N-1)/2 tunnels.....................

Is around 5995  tunnels if I remember the correct formula
off the top of my head.  Straight IPSEC tunnels.  No MPLS.
No GRE.   Just imagine a corporate customer to a big ISP,
each site a single homed stub AS tunneling nicely across the
ISP to other sites. Adding a few more sites monthly.

Have not had a problem reported with routers dropping and
long-time-lags with tunnels being re-established.     Would
be interested in hearing from large ISPs to see who has
a running N(N-1)./2 fully meshed VPN where N>110 and
what potential problems they have and how to mitigate against
problems.    Thanks!


Finest Regards, Tim

www.silkroad.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rodney Thayer" <rodney () tillerman to>
To: <nanog () merit edu>
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 7:54 PM
Subject: Fwd: Q: Sizes of Existing and Planned Fully Meshed IPSEC VPN
(Tunnel Mode)


> I assume "fully meshed" means each node connects to each other
> node, so each node has 109 tunnels (110 total).
> I also assume "Cisco IPSEC based VPN" means IPsec (rfc 2401/2411/etc.)
> and not MPLS-only.
>
> In that case, 120 is not 'large' according to the vendor
> community -- 'large' starts at around 5000 tunnels.  I suspect that,
> in nature (or in the land of the Nanogians) that under 1000 is
> more like a 'large' one.
>
> On the other hand, drop one box with 119 tunnels set up and
> restart it and time how long it takes to re-initiate all 119
> tunnels, and you may very well be unhappy.
>
> > From: "Tim Bass" <bass () silkroad com>
>
> > We have a Cisco IPSEC based VPN with over 110 edge routers
> > in a full tunnel-mode mesh, mostly 'big hunking routers' with
> > average CPU utilization under 15 percent.     The VPN is
> > controlled by a single organization, under centralized admin.