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Fwd: Q: Sizes of Existing and Planned Fully Meshed IPSEC VPN (Tunnel Mode)


From: Rodney Thayer <rodney () tillerman to>
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 16:54:13 -0700


I assume "fully meshed" means each node connects to each other
node, so each node has 109 tunnels (110 total).
I also assume "Cisco IPSEC based VPN" means IPsec (rfc 2401/2411/etc.)
and not MPLS-only.

In that case, 120 is not 'large' according to the vendor
community -- 'large' starts at around 5000 tunnels.  I suspect that,
in nature (or in the land of the Nanogians) that under 1000 is
more like a 'large' one.

On the other hand, drop one box with 119 tunnels set up and
restart it and time how long it takes to re-initiate all 119
tunnels, and you may very well be unhappy.

From: "Tim Bass" <bass () silkroad com>

We have a Cisco IPSEC based VPN with over 110 edge routers
in a full tunnel-mode mesh, mostly 'big hunking routers' with
average CPU utilization under 15 percent.     The VPN is
controlled by a single organization, under centralized admin.


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