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Re: 95th Percentile = Lame
From: "Alexei Roudnev" <alex () relcom EU net>
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 12:54:37 -0700
I worked for Relcom ISP, and we just introduced this 95% billinfg as a big advantage. The reason (and idea) of 95% rule is very simple. If you (customer) overload your link, you cause a lot of extra (unpayed) traffic inside your ISP; without this rule you will not want to upgrade and so waste bandwidth payed by the otheer customers. May be, 95% is not the best way to measure overload (packet loss is better) but at least this work, and so UUnet was smard introducing this rule. Are there alternatives to this? Of course, they are - provide worst (oversubscribed) performance, or bill by every byte (we did it, too), or get out of the business. Of course, other telecommunications does niot use such rule - they just charge you for the full bandwidth no matter do you use it or not. It's the difference. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Thomason" <james () divide org> To: <nanog () merit edu> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 11:39 AM Subject: 95th Percentile = Lame
If I am not mistaken, the true "benefit" to 95% billing is that it allows the provider to charge for bits they never delivered. The average will skew on a burst of traffic (>5% of the average) and you pay for it as if you had averaged that level the entire time. It seems like quite an irrational settlement model. Why not simply bill for every bit that crosses your network? There certainly is a per-bit cost. I cannot, off the top of my head, think of another telecommunications industry that relies on a system of averages for settlement. It speaks pretty clearly of how immature the Internet industry really is. Or maybe not. Perhaps the electrical suppliers here in California should bill in the 95th percentile, and cite the Internet as a rational example. Regards, James
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- Re: 95th Percentile != Lame, (continued)
- Re: 95th Percentile != Lame David Klindt (Jun 03)
- Re: 95th Percentile != Lame Paul Vixie (Jun 03)
- Re: 95th Percentile != Lame James Thomason (Jun 03)
- RE: 95th Percentile = Lame David Schwartz (Jun 03)
- Re: 95th Percentile = Lame Alexei Roudnev (Jun 03)
- RE: 95th Percentile = Lame James Thomason (Jun 03)
- RE: 95th Percentile = Lame Greg A. Woods (Jun 03)
- OT: electrical [was: 95th Percentile = Lame] Henry Yen (Jun 04)
- Re: OT: electrical [was: 95th Percentile = Lame] scott w (Jun 04)
- Re: OT: electrical [was: 95th Percentile = Lame] E.B. Dreger (Jun 04)
- Re: 95th Percentile = Lame Alexei Roudnev (Jun 03)
- Re: 95th Percentile = Lame Charles Scott (Jun 03)
- Re: 95th Percentile = Lame James Thomason (Jun 03)
- RE: 95th Percentile = Lame David Schwartz (Jun 03)
- RE: 95th Percentile = Lame James Thomason (Jun 03)
- Measuring traffic (WAS: 95th Percentile = Lame) Charles Scott (Jun 03)
- Re: 95th Percentile again (was RE: C&W Peering Problem?) Alex Rubenstein (Jun 02)
- Re: 95th Percentile again (was RE: C&W Peering Problem?) Geoff Huston (Jun 03)
- Re: 95th Percentile again (was RE: C&W Peering Problem?) Nipper, Arnold (Jun 03)
- Re: 95th Percentile again (was RE: C&W Peering Problem?) Alex Rubenstein (Jun 03)
- Re: 95th Percentile again (was RE: C&W Peering Problem?) Greg A. Woods (Jun 03)