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RE: The large ISPs and Peering


From: "Jeb R. Linton" <jeblinton () corp earthlink net>
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:01:57 -0400


There's nothing sinister or secret about this.

I can't say who the winners are because the winners aren't official yet, and
I also have heard only rumors. The big players are simply doing a smart
thing - deciding together on points where they can all agree to meet and
peer at 2.4Gb and 10Gb cheaply. It's obviously the right thing to do.

What it means for smaller ISPs, content providers, etc., is that there will
now be a particular Equinix, Level(3), etc. facility, where we know all the
big players will be. Those facility providers won't keep us out - they'll
market the fact that the top Tier-1's are there in order to get everyone
else there too.

These facilities are huge. Each Tier-1 needs space for a few Juniper M160s,
Cisco 12400s, etc. The space left is more than enough for Tier-2s and
content providers galore. There's nothing preventing the big guys from
competing to provide transit to others in those facilities without huge
local loop costs. It's basically a one-stop shop for transit circuits from
anybody you want - they know this, so the competition will be pretty good.

"What happens to my favorite Co-lo?"... Well, if you're not in the facility
that gets chosen, it's still likely there will be cheap connections from
yours to theirs. These thing will sit on multiple metro fiber rings, so
again there will be decent competition. Any old facility that doesn't hook
up to the chosen ones knows they will be left out in the dark. So choose
wisely.

- Jeb Linton

(My opinions only, not the opinions of EarthLink or anyone else as far as I
know.)



-----Original Message-----
From: owner-nanog () merit edu [mailto:owner-nanog () merit edu]On Behalf Of
Peering Resistance
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 10:50 PM
To: nanog () merit edu
Subject: The large ISPs and Peering



This is an interesting tale, and one that everyone
involved with the ISP world should know about.

Aproximately 8 months ago, several of the very largest
ISPs, ones with names like WorldCom, Sprint, CW,
Genuity, and others, came together to discuss the
concept of peering. The all peered with each other,
most with very large peering circuits - OC-12 or
above. The problem was that the provisioning time and
effort required for these circuits was getting quite
out of control. Costs of interconnects were also high.


So, these large providers did the "unthinkable". They
decided to issue an RFP to 8 sites around the US,
which they would jointly inhabit for purposes of
peering. In order to avoid the appearence of
collusion, they all issued similar RFPs, each
originating from their own company, but otherwise
almost identical. And the sites were choosen using
essentially identical criteria. So, unsurprisingly,
the same 8 sites were choosen, in such cities as
Dallas, Chicago, San Francisco, New York, DC, and
others.

There are several rumors floating about as to which
sites were choosen. This is unconfirmed and
conjecture, so I won't go into it for this email.

The key questions...

1) What are the selected sites?
2) How do the rest of us play?
3) Why wasn't this process more open?

I know that this is a true situation, as I have
confirmation from three different sources, and have
seen copies of several of the RFCs. I eagerly await
the comments of those providers involved with this
effort, and hope that this will lead to a more open
internet.

- PR

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