An example

["Roeland M.J. Meyer" <rmeyer () mhsc com>]

I post some negative messages about ORBS and RBL and look what
happens! Gee, isn't it co-incidental that my mailer is now
blocked?

It sounds like straight-up intimidation actions to me. If this is
the action of a responsible anti-spam fanatic then it is an even
greater indictment of the entire RBL/ORBS  movement.

The hostname is right, DNS is healthy, including my ORSC
root-zone servers, and I am running current sendmail with
anti-relay active.

Gee, maybe they're making a statement ...ya think?

That's alright, woods just hit my kill-file anyway >plonk<

But, this seriously indicates that this ORBS/RBL think is getting
way out of hand. Typical vigilante pattern.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mail Delivery Subsystem [mailto:MAILER-DAEMON () mhsc com]
> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 11:46 PM
> To: rmeyer () mhsc com
> Subject: Returned mail: Service unavailable
>
>
> The original message was received at Thu, 10 Aug 2000
23:46:01 -0700
> from peregrin.lvrmr.mhsc.com [199.108.175.234]
>
>    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal
errors -----
> <woods () weird com>
>
>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> ... while talking to mail.weird.com.:
> > > > HELO condor.lvrmr.mhsc.com
> <<< 550-You are not permitted to send mail from
> condor.lvrmr.mhsc.com[199.108.175.226].
> <<< 550-All SMTP connections have been blocked from that
address,
> <<< 550-possibly because it has been listed in one of the many
RBLs,
> <<< 550-or possibly because your DNS is broken or your
> hostname is wrong.
> <<< 550-
> <<< 550-Please forward this message to your own LOCAL
> postmaster and ask
> <<< 550-them to contact us regarding this issue.
> <<< 550-
> <<< 550-Postmaster@[199.108.175.226]: Please contact
> <postmaster () most weird com>
> <<< 550-(via an unblocked server of course!) for exact
> details on why your
> <<< 550-mailer's connection was rejected.  You must include
> your IP number
> <<< 550 given above in order to receive an accurate answer.
> 554 <woods () weird com>... Service unavailable

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>
>
> From: "Roeland M.J. Meyer" <rmeyer () mhsc com>
>
> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 23:48:35 -0700
>
> I received the following today. I verified it myself.
>
> -------------------------------------
> [baa ~]$ dig txt 69.21.98.203.relays.orbs.org
> <snip>
> ;; ANSWER SECTION:
> 69.21.98.203.relays.orbs.org.  1D IN TXT  "untestable -
> Telstra/Saturn
> NZ has  multiple open relays and has blocked the ORBS tester."
> <big snip>
>
> Both of these statements are blatent lies and completley
> incorrect.
> -------------------------------------
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: woods () proven weird com
> > [mailto:woods () proven weird com]On Behalf Of
> > Greg A. Woods
> > Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 10:20 PM
> > To: rmeyer () mhsc com
> > Subject: RE: surge in spam email (fwd)
> >
> >
> > [ On Thursday, August 10, 2000 at 18:05:41 (-0700), Roeland
> > M.J. Meyer wrote: ]
> > > Subject: RE: surge in spam email (fwd)
> > >
> > > The problem is ORBS black-holing Telstra/Optus. This
> effectively
> > > black-holes OZ and NZ, in their entirety. At that point, ORBS
> > > credibility is toasted with me. I have also put three major
> > > clients with AboveNet. ORBS's blackhole there, didn't sit
> well
> > > with me either. BTW, the current client is both in AboveNet
> and
> > > does traffic with OZ. ORBS has used up so many credibility
> points
> > > with me that I am now recommending against any affiliation
> with
> > > ORBS, in any way, shape, or means, whatsoever.
> >
> > Ah, no, ORBS doesn't "black-hole" anyone, nor block anyone.
> >
> > Only its users (such as myself) do such naughty things.
> >
> > > I'm not a spam fan, but ORBS is completely out of control and
> > > renegade now. I can't condone such irresponsible behaviour. I
> am
> > > routing around the problem. If they had only blocked selected
> > > subnets, that I can understand. But to block an entire
> country,
> > > for the sins of a few, is irresponsible. I have now endured
> two
> > > revenue hits because of ORBS ... there won't be a third ... I
> > > can't afford it. The trust is broken and won't be restored.
> BTW,
> > > I am revisiting the RBL as well, however, they do seem a bit
> more
> > > responsible over there.
> >
> > I think if you look at the facts you'll find they're much
> different
> > than you've made them out to be.
> >
> > It just so happens that ORBS doesn't even list in their
> *manual* list
> > even the entirety of Telstra's net blocks!
> >
> > (not that it's possible to select a country, not even by
> > their TLD, such
> > as ".au", with a system like ORBS.....)
> >
> > --
> >                                                       Greg A. Woods
> >
> > +1 416 218-0098      VE3TCP      <gwoods () acm org>
> > <robohack!woods>
> > Planix, Inc. <woods () planix com>; Secrets of the Weird
> > <woods () weird com>
>
>
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