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Re: ORBS: Another Vigilante Group


From: Bob Allisat <bob () fcn net>
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 11:59:39 -0500 (EST)


Larry writes:
You are wrong, these people *are* elected.  They are elected by 
the millions of users who do not want spam.  The answer is simple 
but for some reason you refuse to see it.  I would gladly grant 
all necessary authority to my ISP to act in any way that benefits 
me and my wishes.

 Nonsense. Democratic forums are
 open, transparent, accountable,
 feature regular elections, laws,
 constitutions and so on. There
 are no such institutions on the
 net. There are technically capable
 but otherwise unsophisticated
 lads running around pretending
 they are the law. They aren't.

Larry continues: 
As for your characterization of Paul Vixie, I have only this to 
say. There's an old saying in the legal community that goes like 
this: "If the law is on your side, argue the law.  If the facts 
are on your side, argue the facts.  But if neither the law *or* 
the facts  are on your side, then assassinate the character of 
your opponents".

It seems pretty clear to me that your only recourse is to assault 
those people who would work in the interests of the greater good 
of the users of the Internet, or, more to the point, who would 
disagree with you.  On the surface, you appear to be quite the 
hypocrite, attacking others for allegedly...attacking others.

 In a civil forum I have drawn
 into question the activities of
 persons acting in what I believe
 to be unethical and unscrupulous
 manners. I have attacked no-one
 and interfered with no person's
 civil liberties, rights and/or
 freedoms. Whereas Mr. Vixie
 regularly trades in the violation
 of these rights. With nothing more
 to back him up but technical
 know-how and a gang of fellow
 geekthugs. A very unfortunate
 situation I suspect time will
 alter to a conclusion more in
 line with our traditons or
 democracy than with Vixie et
 al's propensity to totalitarian
 despotism.

 Respectfully,

 Bob Allisat

 Free Community Network _ bob () fcn net . http://fcn.net
 http://fcn.net/allisat _ http://fcn.net/draft



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