Re: Hold on to your news servers

[Karl Denninger <karl () Denninger Net>]

Given that a large number of people have threatened to commit felonious acts 
(ping floods, etc) against these machines, I believe being "furtive" is 
quite appropriate.

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On Mon, Nov 16, 1998 at 04:03:49PM -0500, Chris Mauritz wrote:
> Seems like if you were truly providing a useful service, you wouldn't need
> to be so furtive about it.
>
> C
>
> Chris Mauritz
> Director, Systems Administration
> Rare Medium, Inc.
> chrism () raremedium com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Karl Denninger [mailto:karl () Denninger Net]
> Sent: Monday, November 16, 1998 3:00 PM
> To: Dean Anderson; Edward S. Marshall
> Cc: nanog () merit edu
> Subject: Re: Hold on to your news servers
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 16, 1998 at 02:46:05PM -0500, Dean Anderson wrote:
> > I don't know why you'd need to know who he gets news feeds from.  Cancel
> > leakage would be obvious enough to determine who is getting feeds from
> Karl.
> > I presume you'd complain to a) his internet providers/peers, b) his news
> > feeds that leak cancels, and possibly c) anyone who is known to get a feed
> > from him.  And their providers/peers.
> >
> > I'd probably start with MCS which provides Karls service, and go on to
> > good.net, nap.net, etc, presuming Karls boast about MCS not caring to help
> > stop his leakage is true.  Then repeat with the sources of the leakages.
>
> Uh, excuse me, but I don't have any affiliation with MCS nor do they have
> anything to do with this service.  If you want to do nothing other than 
> piss them off or get thrown in their admin's "ignore this kook" list, go
> ahead.
>
> Who I buy my *personal* service from is none of your business. Nor your
> concern, since that *personal* service obviously can't be the source of
> this.
>
> Besides, I've already told the world that I intend to colocate the servers
> at various points around the country, and that I have offers from people
> to do that - who are WELL AWARE of what I'm up to.
>
> > I think as long as Karls system is completely separate from usenet, it
> > could be fine.  His scheme can possibly work if there is never a server
> > that carries both regular Usenet and Karl's feed.  But that is an
> > unreasonable proposition. The problem is that someone will want to cross
> > post karls feed into their feed. 
> >
> > Remember, the Soviet Coup against Gorbachev failed (in part) because they
> > couldn't manage to partition or shut off usenet news feeds, and news of
> > events in Moscow leaked out.
> >
> >             --Dean
>
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> Karl Denninger (karl () denninger net) http://www.mcs.net/~karl
> I ain't even *authorized* to speak for anyone other than myself, so give
> up now on trying to associate my words with any particular organization.
>
>
> > At 10:13 PM 11/13/1998 -0600, Karl Denninger wrote:
> > > On Fri, Nov 13, 1998 at 09:42:41PM -0600, Edward S. Marshall wrote:
> > > > On Fri, 13 Nov 1998, Dean Anderson wrote:
> > > > > Anyone who cancels someone elses post who is not a moderator or the
> > > > > original poster should lose their account/job at ISP/etc.
> > > > >
> > > > > So lets start sending in complaints...
> > > >
> > > > And you'd complain to...who? Karl's an independant entity now.
> > >
> > > Correct :-)
> > >
> > > What's even more fun is that since the system doesn't EMIT any articles
> > > it consumes (it emits only cancels, sourced there) you can't figure out
> > > where it gets its feeds from.... good luck getting the system's feeds
> > > cut off under those circumstances :-)
> > >
> > > --
> > > -- 
> > > Karl Denninger (karl () denninger net) http://www.mcs.net/~karl
> > > I ain't even *authorized* to speak for anyone other than myself, so give
> > > up now on trying to associate my words with any particular organization.
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