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Re: NSP ... New Information
From: Larry Vaden <vaden () texoma net>
Date: Sun, 08 Jun 1997 20:21:13 -0500
At 10:50 AM 6/8/97 -0700, Michael Dillon wrote:
On Wed, 4 Jun 1997, Phil Howard wrote:I've got one idea I'm mulling over that could help in the current
situation.
Once it is a more mature idea, I might suggest it. In the mean time I just want to read other thoughts, comments, ideas, and... uh... no... not
flames.
I'd like to see them start allocating recovered space from 192/8 in /22 or maybe /21 sizes.
I enjoyed my first NANOG (10) and learned a great deal from several people. It was a pleasure to meet Michael, Justin, Robert of priori.net and several others, including Kim Hubbard of InterNIC and I am glad to see this issue on the NANOG list. Often, it is helpful to look at how other industries handle similar issues; as a result of a suggestion by Wayne Shirley, chairman of the New Mexico Public Utilities Commission, I looked into some federal documents for guidance on the issue and found the following at <http://www.ece.iit.edu/~power/taccess/rm95-8.000>:
The focus of our proposal today is to facilitate competitive wholesale electric power markets. The key to competitive bulk power markets is opening up transmission services. Transmission is the vital link between sellers and buyers. To achieve the benefits of robust, competitive bulk power markets, all wholesale buyers and sellers must have equal access to the transmission grid. Otherwise, efficient trades cannot take place and ratepayers will bear unnecessary costs. Thus, market power through control of transmission is the single greatest impediment to competition. Unquestionably, this market power is still being used today, or can be used, discriminatorily to block competition.
The final codification may be FERC Order 888 or 18 CFR Part 388, which apparently are not online save West Law. What do NANOG people think about this issue? Should InterNIC grant small ISPs (this one serves a rural area between Dallas and Oklahoma City) fully routable and portable IP space? Or should the denial of instruments necessary for competition be used to force market consolidation? Your thoughts are appreciated. Regards, Larry Vaden, founder and CEO help-desk 903-813-4500 Internet Texoma, Inc. <http://www.texoma.net> direct 903-870-0365 bringing the real Internet to rural Texomaland fax 903-868-8551 Member ISP/C, TISPA and USIPA pager 903-867-6571
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- 192/8 (was Re: NSP ... New Information ), (continued)
- 192/8 (was Re: NSP ... New Information ) Suzanne Woolf (Jun 08)
- Re: 192/8 (was Re: NSP ... New Information ) Matthew Petach (Jun 08)
- Re: NSP ... New Information George Herbert (Jun 10)
- Re: NSP ... New Information Paul A Vixie (Jun 10)
- multihoming without BGP Tung-Hui Hu (Jun 10)
- Re: multihoming without BGP Paul A Vixie (Jun 10)
- Re: multihoming without BGP Robert E. Seastrom (Jun 10)
- Re: multihoming without BGP Dean Gaudet (Jun 11)
- Re: NSP ... New Information David Holub (Jun 08)
- Re: NSP ... New Information David Holub (Jun 08)
- Re: NSP ... New Information Larry Vaden (Jun 08)
- Re: NSP ... New Information Randy Bush (Jun 08)
- Re: NSP ... New Information Larry Vaden (Jun 08)
- Re: NSP ... New Information Jeremy Porter (Jun 08)
- Re: NSP ... New Information Larry Vaden (Jun 08)
- Re: NSP ... New Information Jeremy Porter (Jun 08)
- Re: NSP ... New Information Edward Fang (Jun 08)
- Re: NSP ... New Information Joel Gallun (Jun 09)
- Re: NSP ... New Information Larry Vaden (Jun 09)
- Re: NSP ... New Information Bill Manning (Jun 08)
- Re: NSP ... New Information Larry Vaden (Jun 08)