Re Cockamamie #broadband pricing from #Cox.

["Dave Farber" <dave () farber net>]

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From: Doc Searls <doc () searls com>
Date: Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 9:33 AM
Subject: Re: [IP] Re Cockamamie #broadband pricing from #Cox.
To: Dave Farber <dave () farber net>
CC: ip <ip () listbox com>


I’m a Cox customer in Santa Barbara. When I talked to a Cox support person
 about this new pricing scheme, she said it was all about gamers. It’s
gamers alone that use by far the most data, and while they are a small
wedge of the customer pie, their usage patterns are so significantly large
that the company felt it needed to come up with a way to address their
level of use with higher fees that wouldn’t affect even the normal
customers who are relatively large users of data.

Even if one watches lots of Netflix, she said, or watches one’s home set
top box through a Sling system (which we do more often than we watch the
same box at home), one is unlikely to go above 1Tb/mo. I’ve watched our
usage on  the Cox website, and that seems to be the case.

When I asked whether they thought about coming up with a plan just for
gamers, she said something like, “that wouldn’t be neutral.”

In New York, where we have the apartment we’re in now, we’re connected by
Spectrum (née Time Warner Cable). There are no data limits, and the
cognitive overhead is much lower than with Cox. And that to me is the real
issue with Cox’s data usage fee structure.

FWIW, I would gladly pay a lot more for as much upstream as I have
downstream here in NYC (320Mb/s). That way I could store more data offsite
and do more work in various clouds.

Given how big a deal clouds are, and how poorly the personal gear makers
(primarily Apple, Google and Microsoft) have addressed the need easily to
store and catalog the large amounts of data their gear would like to
generate (e.g. 4k video on iPhones and Androids), you’d think the carriers
might address that market need somehow. (Come to think of it, I’m surprised
that Amazon hasn’t found a way to bundle upstream connections into AWS as a
feature of the all-consuming Prime.)

Doc

On Feb 20, 2018, at 4:46 PM, Dave Farber <dave () farber net> wrote:


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From: Charley Kline <csk () mail com>
Date: Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 4:15 PM
Subject: RE: [IP] Cockamamie #broadband pricing from #Cox.
To: <dave () farber net>


Comcast has the same thing. First 1024GB are bundled. After that it is $10
per 50GB with a max of $200 no matter how much you use. For $50/month you
can get unlimited. According to Comcast, 99% of their users use less than 1
TB.



http://dtpln.b1.app.cloud.comcast.net/faq/ for details.



Charley Kline





*From:* Dave Farber [mailto:dave () farber net]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 20, 2018 12:44 PM
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*Subject:* [IP] Cockamamie #broadband pricing from #Cox.





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From: Bob Frankston <Bob19-0501 () bobf frankston com>
Date: Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 2:39 PM
Subject: Cockamamie #broadband pricing from #Cox.
To: David J. J Farber <Dave () farber net>



First 1024GB are bundled for about $40(?). The next 1024GB is $10/50GB or
over $200 for the next 1024GB. Explain?



I see this as non-neutrality #NN in action. Neutrality should be linear
pricing for each gigabyte (actually we should charge for gigabytes at all
but that's a different issue). I argue any perverse pricing like this is a
violation of neutrality principles.



I would compare it to a 19th century railroad limiting how much wheat each
farmer could ship and then increasing the price for the next batch. Just
because they are rent-seekers in total control of the path.



Note the base pricing is a guess because Cox et al bundle prices and hide
necessary information/



(Posted as https://www.facebook.com/bob.frankston/posts/10155212464263021
or those interested).



Bob Frankston

http://Frankston.com <http://frankston.com/>

@BobFrankston




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