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Re How the Spies Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Fitbit
From: "Dave Farber" <dave () farber net>
Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2018 23:48:15 +0000
---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Justin Maxwell <soc () code404 com> Date: Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 5:37 PM Subject: Re: [IP] How the Spies Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Fitbit To: dave () farber net <dave () farber net> CC: ip <ip () listbox com> Hi Dave, Thanks for inviting this discussion on IP. I'm an avid Strava user and almost went to work there in the early days because I love their product. that FP article is fantastic, I had no idea this had such a legacy. But I want to address one thing since the "careless athlete" angle is getting sensationalized: “I am a Strava user with sharing enabled,” one former intelligence official told FP, who described running around GCHQ, the British signals intelligence agency. Sure, this person was careless. But most likely weren't. There is a key detail that is being left out of the public conversation mostly due to headline skimming. Strava was opting people in to the global heatmap data automatically, even if they had made their activities private. This is where everything went wrong: - if a person was using Strava to track their fitness while stationed in a sensitive area, - and believed they were respecting the rules of their station by marking their activity as "private" (which prevents it from showing to others or on leaderboards) - That user was then unaware Strava had them "Opted-In" automatically to publish their activity data on the global heatmap - Strava buried that info here: https://support.strava.com/hc/en-us/articles/207343930-Privacy-Options-and-Information <https://link.getmailspring.com/link/local-9fbb732b-8929@jkm-mbp/0?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fsupport.strava.com%2Fhc%2Fen-us%2Farticles%2F207343930-Privacy-Options-and-Information&recipient=ip%40listbox.com> - The user had no idea their data was being leaked, as from their perspective (the information presented to them in the app's user experience & interface messaging), they had followed the rules So to be clear, it was Strava who opted in their users to leak this information without considering the impact of it. On Feb 2 2018, at 11:37 am, Dave Farber <farber () gmail com> wrote: Begin forwarded message: *From:* Richard Forno <rforno () infowarrior org <https://link.getmailspring.com/link/local-9fbb732b-8929@jkm-mbp/1?redirect=mailto%3Arforno%40infowarrior.org&recipient=ip%40listbox.com>
*Date:* February 2, 2018 at 12:28:06 PM EST *To:* Infowarrior List <infowarrior () attrition org <https://link.getmailspring.com/link/local-9fbb732b-8929@jkm-mbp/2?redirect=mailto%3Ainfowarrior%40attrition.org&recipient=ip%40listbox.com>
*Cc:* Dave Farber <dave () farber net <https://link.getmailspring.com/link/local-9fbb732b-8929@jkm-mbp/3?redirect=mailto%3Adave%40farber.net&recipient=ip%40listbox.com>
*Subject:* *How the Spies Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Fitbit* How the Spies Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Fitbit The debate over whether fitness trackers should be allowed in sensitive areas has dragged on for years. By Jenna McLaughlin | February 1, 2018, 12:38 PM When researchers last weekend noticed that a private company had published a global heat map of people running and walking around, based on data uploaded from its fitness application, the news sparked renewed debate in the U.S. national security community about rules governing wearable devices that transmit data. What wasn’t disclosed by the intelligence and military officials reacting to the news is that the debate over whether fitness trackers should be allowed in sensitive spaces, particularly in intelligence outposts, has raged on for years. And many employees did in fact gain the right to wear certain types of trackers, even in the most sensitive locations. However, that decision has consistently led to internal disagreement. In some cases, military and intelligence officials have wide discretion over where and when their employees can use those devices. “We are aware of the potential impacts of devices that collect and report personal and locational data, such as information contained in the Strava ‘heat map’ recently reported in the press,” a current U.S. intelligence official wrote in an email to Foreign Policy. “The use of personal fitness and similar devices by individuals engaged in U.S. Government support is determined and directed by each agency and department.” < - > https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/02/01/how-the-spies-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-fitbit/ <https://link.getmailspring.com/link/local-9fbb732b-8929@jkm-mbp/4?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fforeignpolicy.com%2F2018%2F02%2F01%2Fhow-the-spies-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-fitbit%2F&recipient=ip%40listbox.com> Archives <https://link.getmailspring.com/link/local-9fbb732b-8929@jkm-mbp/5?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.listbox.com%2Fmember%2Farchive%2F247%2F%3Dnow&recipient=ip%40listbox.com> <https://link.getmailspring.com/link/local-9fbb732b-8929@jkm-mbp/6?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.listbox.com%2Fmember%2Farchive%2Frss%2F247%2F18845712-12e0664b&recipient=ip%40listbox.com> | Modify <https://link.getmailspring.com/link/local-9fbb732b-8929@jkm-mbp/7?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.listbox.com%2Fmember%2F%3Fmember_id%3D18845712%26id_secret%3D18845712-0470693e&recipient=ip%40listbox.com> Your Subscription | Unsubscribe Now <https://link.getmailspring.com/link/local-9fbb732b-8929@jkm-mbp/8?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.listbox.com%2Funsubscribe%2F%3Fmember_id%3D18845712%26id_secret%3D18845712-41b8348e%26post_id%3D20180202143746%3A896E6E98-0850-11E8-8E1B-FFA2DA9C92A7&recipient=ip%40listbox.com> <https://link.getmailspring.com/link/local-9fbb732b-8929@jkm-mbp/9?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.listbox.com&recipient=ip%40listbox.com> This message was sent to the list address and trashed, but can be found online. <https://www.listbox.com/login/messages/view/20180202173729:A45350AC-0869-11E8-AE2D-B1D5F61207B7/> ------------------------------------------- Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/247/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/247/18849915-ae8fa580 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=18849915&id_secret=18849915-aa268125 Unsubscribe Now: https://www.listbox.com/unsubscribe/?member_id=18849915&id_secret=18849915-32545cb4&post_id=20180202184833:9206F368-0873-11E8-8527-C436A64FB4BA Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
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