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Re Whois is dead as Europe hands DNS overlord ICANN its arse


From: "Dave Farber" <farber () gmail com>
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2018 15:01:21 -0400




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From: Phil Pennock <phil.pennock () spodhuis org>
Date: April 15, 2018 at 2:59:55 PM EDT
To: dave () farber net
Cc: Karl Auerbach <karl () cavebear com>
Subject: Re: [IP] Re Whois is dead as Europe hands DNS overlord ICANN its arse

On 2018-04-14 at 16:23 -0400, Karl Auerbach wrote:
It has long been proposed to ICANN that when someone comes along and
wants to make a whois inquiry that they (the accuser) should first
have to jump through a few hoops:

There are more reasons to use WHOIS than for assertions of
copyright/trademark rights or more generally than for making
accusations.

Reasons I've used that come immediately to mind:
1. Debugging problems and finding technical contacts when there's a
  problem; eg, DNS broken, look for an email address in a different
  domain, reach out to get things fixed.  Whois Privacy services are
  not a problem here, as long as the mail does actually get through to
  the registrant's technical contact.
2. Determining who is behind an organization, to help friends/family
  establish how much they want to trust a website with personal data,
  or for one employer to link to a history via BBB complaints to decide
  how cautiously to proceed with sponsoring an event.
3. Patiently walking people through understanding the difference between
  DNS glue records and in-zone records and how they also need to update
  their delegation records; this one can be done with queries against
  the parent, but that's just _confusing_ to non-experts.  Pointing to
  the NS records in WHOIS is significantly clearer and gets the point
  across, "these are the nameservers which are on file, and are how the
  rest of the world knows to reach your nameservers; you're having
  problems because they don't match."
4. Part of automated checks to make sure that domains have not been
  hijacked, and to have even basic diagnostic information to start
  recovery in the event that a domain has been hijacked.
5. Using the timestamps to show when a domain was registered (reputation
  stuff, or countering FUD claims) or when it was last modified (things
  are broken right now ... they've just changed something, they've
  messed things up, nothing we can do on our side, but I'll see if I
  can reach someone on their side to make sure that they're aware of
  the issue).

Registration of a domain-name is not an intrinsic requirement for being
online; there is a trade-off to be made between privacy and
accountability.  While we might not have the balance correct right now,
a demand for anonymity in the name of privacy runs counter to
accountability.

We expect companies to be registered, with their principal officers part
of the registration, part of public data which can be queried.  We
expect charities to have to disclose who is running them.  None of that
should disappear simply because of moving online.

Domain hijackers must be rubbing their hands with glee knowing that
the most basic diagnosis tool for determining "who is believed to
control this domain" is going away.  There are ways around it, for when
you eventually determine that this must be the source of problems, but
most registrars do not provide any tooling for registrants to determine
who currently is the owner, or really expose any of the EPP information.
Domain hijacking is about to get a whole lot more profitable, with
time-to-recovery increasing drastically (or becoming outright
infeasible).

Moving towards "WHOIS privacy services should be a default and no-cost
extra, but the email forwarders must be professionally maintained and
tested" would ease the balance.  The nonsense routine mails of "does
your email address still work" could be sent via the privacy addresses
and have additional checks optionally built in, so that those mails
actually serve a useful purpose instead of being mostly theatre.

Applauding the removal of public accountability will backfire.

-Phil



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