Re 477 Days. 521 Mass Shootings. Zero Action From Congress.

["Dave Farber" <farber () gmail com>]

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> From: Chris Beck <cbeck () pacanukeha net>
> Date: October 3, 2017 at 12:16:04 PM EDT
> To: Dave Farber <dave () farber net>
> Subject: Re: [IP] Re 477 Days. 521 Mass Shootings. Zero Action From Congress.
>
> Well to start with:
>
> They could start to create Regulations such that a Well-Regulated Militia becomes clearly understood to have actual 
> meaning rather than several words ignored by the NRA
> They could stop banning research into gun (un)safety
> They could not legalize armour-piercing bullets within legislation concerning silencers
> They could restrict magazine/clip sizes
> They could close private-sale loop-holes
> They could actually fund mental-health care
> They could mandate background checks and cool-down periods for *all* gun ownership transfers
> They could restrict ammunition sales
> They could increase the penalties for and actually enforce for full-auto conversions
> They could do the same to the manufacturers who make conversions easier
> They could control gun advertising the same way they control smoking and alcohol advertising
> They could remove bans on suing gun manufacturers
>
> Would this stop gun violence? Of course not. That's a straw-man argument. 
>
> Cheers,
> Chris
>
> > On 3 October 2017 at 10:37, Dave Farber <farber () gmail com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Begin forwarded message:
> >
> > > From: Dave Crocker <dcrocker () gmail com>
> > > Date: October 3, 2017 at 9:58:46 AM EDT
> > > To: dave () farber net, ip <ip () listbox com>
> > > Subject: Re: [IP] 477 Days. 521 Mass Shootings. Zero Action From Congress.
> > >
> > > What action should Congress take?
> > >
> > > Consider this question carefully because as important as it is that this issue have action taken, it needs to be 
> > > constructive.  It needs not only to seem to be relevant, it needs to actually be effective, will few or no 
> > > collateral damage.
> > >
> > > As each of us makes assertions about what action will be effective, we need to ask what basis we have for the 
> > > belief, beyond logic; many logical things are not actually useful.  So where is the fact-based, objective analysis 
> > > of concrete experience that demonstrates the efficacy?
> > >
> > > A person takes a gun and kills a lot of people.  Logic says we need to do a better job of detecting such people.  
> > > Logic says that we need to control access to some/all guns.  But review the history of such a person and often we 
> > > will find few or no signs that point to their action.  For people who do appear to have a history of some aberrant 
> > > behavior, note how many others have a similar history but do not take this sort of action.  Shall they become 
> > > collateral damage?
> > >
> > > So how do we detect those who are a real threat, as distinct form those who have a similar history but aren't, or 
> > > those who have no distinctive history?  We need to try to be very pragmatic about the choices that are made, 
> > > especially concerning legislation.  Legislation can have its own social downsides...
> > >
> > > d/
> > >
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> > > Dave Crocker
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> [Christopher Beck] [+ChrisBeck]
> a) You don't get good government from people who think government is the problem.
> b) "When people say they have no politics, it means that their politics aligns with the status quo." - George Monbiot
> c) The more rules and regulations, the more thieves and robbers. - 老子 (Lao-Tzu) 
> d) Nihil tam munitum quod non expugnari pecunia possit - Cicero
> e) السلام عليكم - Traditional



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