Re: In an Era of Russian Hacks, the US Is Still Installing Russian Software on Government Systems

["Dave Farber" <farber () gmail com>]

> Begin forwarded message:
>
> From: Hasan Diwan <hasan.diwan () gmail com>
> Subject: Re: [IP] Re: In an Era of Russian Hacks, the US Is Still Installing Russian Software on Government Systems
> Date: June 15, 2017 at 4:26:42 PM EDT
> To: "dave () farber net" <dave () farber net>
>
> Prof Farber,
> [for ip if you wish]
> The insinuation that "made in Russia" is equivalent to spyware is a sleight of hand that is incorrect. While it may 
> be true in some cases, in a vast majority of cases it is not. To wit, my mother was born in Lebanon, her mother was 
> born in Gaza and I was born and raised in Western Europe and I also lived in the Lebanon. I now live in Spain, but 
> was in America till May. The software products I write are done on equipment probably built by some bloke whose name 
> I will never know and location I will never visit (and possibly can't even find on a globe). In other words, it could 
> be Russia or China or North Korea. I don't know. I don't care either. And neither should our media or politicians. -- 
> H
>
> On 15 June 2017 at 12:42, Dave Farber <dave () farber net <mailto:dave () farber net>> wrote:
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> From: Dewayne Hendricks <dewayne () warpspeed com <mailto:dewayne () warpspeed com>>
> Date: Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 2:41 PM
> Subject: [Dewayne-Net] Re: In an Era of Russian Hacks, the US Is Still Installing Russian Software on Government 
> Systems
> To: Multiple recipients of Dewayne-Net <dewayne-net () warpspeed com <mailto:dewayne-net () warpspeed com>>
>
>
> [Note:  This comment comes from friend David Reed.  DLH]
>
> From: dpreed () reed com <mailto:dpreed () reed com>
> Subject: RE: In an Era of Russian Hacks, the US Is Still Installing Russian Software on Government Systems
> Date: June 15, 2017 at 1:47:37 PM EDT
> To: dewayne () warpspeed com <mailto:dewayne () warpspeed com>
>
> The idea that software is "Russian" and that "Russian" means "enemy" in some unilateral way is an instance of 
> terribly bad thought processes.
>
> As another example, nearly every piece of high tech gear sold by so-called "American" companies is largely designed 
> and manufactured in the People's Republic of China (or in Taiwan, which is hardly insulated from mainland Chinese 
> infiltration and control).
>
> "American" companies, like "IBM" and "Hewlett Packard" are not in any sense American. Their workforces and supply 
> chain are international.
>
> This tendency to Nationalism may have made sense around the 1940's when countries were self-sufficient. It makes no 
> sense today.
>
> (Of course, the ignorant leadership of the US and UK play into this absurdist conception of Nationalism to rally 
> supporters for "America First" thought patterns).
>
> Is this merely amusing? No. When you try to write laws or to protect your *citizens*, making such egregious mistakes 
> as assigning "risk" to absurd nationality-of-origin claims is massively counterproductive.
>
> Is Huawei or Foxconn or TSMC or all the other suppliers of hardware, software, microcode, design services, ... a tool 
> of national interest?
>
> The answer is, yes for sure. But *what* national interests? And what *other* interests?
>
> Can we be safe by creating some new kind of economic entity that builds technology in some kind of "clean room" where 
> people who *never interact in any way outside of that clean room* do literally everything?
>
> Of course not.
>
> So let's be practical. Tracing of commercial sourcing and supply chains are the *wrong* place to build in safety and 
> security.
>
> Loyalty oaths and citizenship tests are the worst possible approach, and using them for political rabblerousing is 
> ignorant and stupid.
>
> There are lots of better ways to engineer safety and security into systems composed of imperfectly reliable and 
> imperfectly securable parts. We know how to do that.
>
> But fear-mongering is not constructive, especially based on bizarre logic that ties nationalism to the wrong pieces 
> of the process.
>
> > In an Era of Russian Hacks, the US Is Still Installing Russian Software on Government Systems
> > By JOSEPH MARKS
> > Jun 14 2017
> > http://m.nextgov.com/cybersecurity/2017/06/era-russian-hacks-us-still-installing-russian-software-government-systems/138683/
> >  
> > <http://m.nextgov.com/cybersecurity/2017/06/era-russian-hacks-us-still-installing-russian-software-government-systems/138683/>
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