Re Verizon Wireless confirms it throttled Netflix streams as part of traffic optimization trial

["Dave Farber" <farber () gmail com>]

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Gordon Jacobson <gaj () portman com>
> Date: July 22, 2017 at 9:35:03 AM EDT
> To: dave () farber net
> Subject: Re: [IP] Re Verizon Wireless confirms it throttled Netflix streams as part of traffic optimization trial
>
> I am really not a fan of the Government having any control or say over the Internet and at the same time, I am not 
> comfortable with the the major Carriers, Telcos and Cable Cos dominating any part of the marketplace for Internet 
> Services.
>
> That being said, absent Congress actually telling everyone to keep their bloody great paws off of the Internet (and I 
> really do not see that as likely to happen anytime soon), how else can we prevent total domination of the space by a 
> relative handful of monopolists?
>
> Brett (and providers like him) are NOT the target of the public's ire. The majors are the target, mainly because they 
> have the power and the lobbying clout to block the public interest - seemingly at will. 
>
> I am not saying they will or won't act against the public's interest, but if I am to judge by past actions (the 
> anti-competitive municipal and state legislation blocking local cities and towns across the country from building 
> their own municipal networks just as a simple example), I would not be making any wagers taking the side of the likes 
> of Verizon.
>
> Brett quotes 47 USC 230(b) and (f), which he says makes "Regulation of the Net" clearly illegal.
>
> 47 USC 230(b) and (f) may be found at:
>
> https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/47/230
>
> Would one of the IP list's Legal Eagle's like to explain how one could draw that conclusion from its text?
>
> --Gordon Jacobson
>
>
> At 09:49 PM 7/21/2017, you wrote:
>
>
> > Begin forwarded message:
> >
> > > From: Brett Glass <brett () lariat net>
> > > Date: July 21, 2017 at 10:42:19 PM EDT
> > > To: dave () farber net
> > > Subject: Re: [IP] Verizon Wireless confirms it throttled Netflix streams as part of traffic optimization trial
> > >
> > > Dave, and everyone:
> > >
> > > Even an HD video stream -- much less one that exceeds the resolution of a mobile phone -- does not take 10 Mbps. 
> > > Thus, the fact that a "speed test" -- a site which does not in fact test capacity but instead conducts a denial of 
> > > service attack and reports the throughput when the connection fails as the "speed" -- indicates 10 Mbps does not 
> > > indicate a problem. In fact, it may well indicate that Verizon is doing good management of its network, protecting 
> > > it against DoS attacks while generously allowing more video bandwidth than any legitimate user would consume.
> > >
> > > Of late, corporate interests pushing for illegal, harmful, innovation-killing regulation of the Internet have been 
> > > seizing upon any attempt by ISPs to manage their networks' resources as an attack on consumers. Exactly the 
> > > opposite is the case.... In fact, when my users recently found their connections saturated and nearly crippled by 
> > > overly aggressive Microsoft Windows updates, some actually asked me to rein this traffic in (which I did for them). 
> > > While Microsoft or some other edge provider may find it to be in its interests to monopolize an Internet user's 
> > > connection, the user may (and, usually will!) disagree. It's the ISP's job to give the user the best possible 
> > > experience, and I strive to do this.
> > >
> > > It's time to curb the hateful "fake news" and anti-ISP rhetoric. ISPs like myself sweat, work evenings and 
> > > weekends, and even risk life and limb to provide Internet users with good service. Regulation of the Net -- which 
> > > is clearly illegal under 47 USC 230(b) and (f) -- harms network performance, raises bills, deters investment, slows 
> > > deployment, and limits consumer choice by making it impossible for new market entrants to raise capital. It's time 
> > > to debunk the many false claims about so-called "network neutrality" regulations, exposing them as inconsistent 
> > > with the founding principles of the Internet and harmful to all but the large corporations that lobby for them.
> > >
> > > --Brett Glass
> > >
> > > At 03:39 PM 7/21/2017, you wrote:
> > >  
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Begin forwarded message:
> > > >
> > > > > From: the keyboard of geoff goodfellow <geoff () iconia com>
> > > > > Date: July 21, 2017 at 4:59:53 PM EDT
> > > > > To: Dave Farber <dave () farber net>, Dewayne Hendricks <dewayne () warpspeed com >
> > > > > Cc: ip <ip () listbox com>, "Peter G. Neumann" <neumann () csl sri com>
> > > > > Subject: Verizon Wireless confirms it throttled Netflix streams as part of traffic optimization trial
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Verizon Wireless has been throttling video feeds from Netflix over the course of this week, with the carrier 
> > > > > claiming it is part of a temporary trial of system to optimize traffic from video streaming services without 
> > > > > impacting quality, though customer reports seem to suggest it is a bandwidth cap on Netflix content. 
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thursday, Reddit users were complaining about speed issues when using Verizon to watch video on Netflix and 
> > > > > YouTube, reports Ars Technica. Some users were finding that they were limited to speeds of around 10 megabits per 
> > > > > second when using Netflix's Fast.com speed testing tool, despite other speed testing sites reporting the same 
> > > > > connections as offering speeds multiple times faster. 
> > > > >
> > > > > The phenomena was also noted on the HowardForums, with user GusHerb94 noting that YouTube was running at 1,250 
> > > > > kilobytes per second according to its "stats for nerds" feature, which is approximately the same as 10 megabits 
> > > > > per second. When the user connected to YouTube via a VPN, the speed "tripled" compared to not using the VPN. 
> > > > >
> > > > > Another user responded noting their 1440p video stream was "throttled at a constant 9.59Mbps," adding that the 
> > > > > speed was so low "it wasn't even able to keep up and buffered a few times." 
> > > > >
> > > > > Verizon advised in a statement "We've been doing network testing over the past few days to optimize the 
> > > > > performance of video applications on our network. The testing should be completed shortly. The customer video 
> > > > > experience was not affected." 
> > > > >
> > > > > It could be said that Verizon's testing goes against general net neutrality principles, which typically require 
> > > > > Internet providers to treat all traffic equally, regardless of source and content, though Title II does permit 
> > > > > some exceptions to allow Verizon to manage its network traffic. Capping the speed of one or more specific 
> > > > > services could be seen as giving an advantage to another that doesn't have the same restrictions...
> > > > >
> > > > > [SNIP]
> > > > >
> > > > > http://appleinsider.com/articles/17/07/21/verizon-wireless-confirms-it-throttled-netflix-streams-as-part-of-traffic-optimization-trial
> > > > >  
> > > > >
> > > > > -- 
> > > > > Geoff.Goodfellow () iconia com
> > > > > living as The Truth is True
> > > > > http://geoff.livejournal.com   
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