Re: The day apple and amazon hate holden caulfield

[David Farber <dave () farber net>]

Begin forwarded message:

From: jhorton <jhorton () rockiehost com>
Date: March 11, 2010 6:23:58 PM EST
To: Charles Pinneo <pinneo () sbcglobal net>
Cc: Dave Farber <dave () farber net>
Subject: Re: [IP] The day apple and amazon hate holden caulfield

Hi Charlie,

Thanks for your comments.  I want to clarify though that I am not
picking on the iPad or anyone's specific device.  

The concern I was expressing was a future where controversial books such as Catcher exist
only in digital form and that Apple/Amazon or Sony or whichever company
is running ebooks at that time comes under pressure, societal or legal
to remove such a book. 

That day will come in my lifetime and the actions of todays Amazon and
Apple around content give me no reason to believe it isn't likely.


When that day comes I do still hope that the controversial books of
yesterday, today and tomorrow continue to exist as dead tree.





On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 03:00:21PM -0500, Charles Pinneo wrote:
> Dave,
> Jeff
>
> If Apple decides not to publish "The Catcher in the Rye" you will still be able to buy it on Kindle, Barnes & Noble, 
> at a used book store, or from Amazon or Alibris. As far as I know Apple has decided not to allow pictures of naked 
> women in bad taste on iPhones. How is this a bad thing? "The Catcher in the Rye" has not been published on the iPad 
> because the iPad won't be out until April. Why are we criticizing Apple for something they didn't do? Apple does not 
> have a lock on publishing yet. Why don't you blow the whistle when they do something naughty. So far Apple has made 
> innovations in music distribution and in the future they will make exciting new innovations in e-book publication. 
>
> David Pogue said this about iPad bashing: "Now Phase 2 can begin: the bashing by the bloggers who've never even tried 
> it: "No physical keyboard!" "No removable battery!" "Way too expensive!" "Doesn't multitask!" "No memory-card slot!"
>
> That will last until the iPad actually goes on sale in April. Then, if history is any guide, Phase 3 will begin: 
> positive reviews, people lining up to buy the thing, and the mysterious disappearance of the basher-bloggers."
>
> <http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/28/technology/personaltech/28pogue-email.html>
>
> Charlie Pinneo
> pinneo () sbcglobal net
> ------------------------------
> On Mar 10, 2010, at 9:14 PM, David Farber wrote:
>
> > Begin forwarded message:
> >
> > From: jhorton <jhorton () rockiehost com>
> > Date: March 10, 2010 6:01:11 PM EST
> > To: dave () farber net
> > Subject: [RESEND with corrections] The day apple and amazon hate holden caulfield
> >
> > Hi Mr. Farber, love your ip list.
> >
> > Todays messages about Apples content made me want to send you a blog
> > post I wrote recently that has my concerns about the future.
> >
> > If you find it interesting please feel free to forward.
> >
> > I aplogize, I found a couple errors after I sent, please use this copy instead if you like
> > it.
> >
> > -----------------------------------------
> >
> > The recent actions of Apple and Amazon to punish e-book publishers that
> > had differing views and to further control over book consumption. As
> > well as the death of J.D. Salinger and the issues surrounding his book
> > The Catcher in the Rye lead me to believe we should be concerned about
> > the future of books for all of us.
> >
> > Both Amazon and Apple are moving to control distribution of e-books to
> > their respective devices, and thereby dominating delivery and
> > consumption as has happened to music. The music business has been very
> > happy to get Digital Rights Management services on their itunes music
> > and we should expect the same from the book publishers. You will not own
> > your book but instead have a possibly term limited, third party
> > controlled access.
> >
> > The unfortunate thing is that people are more likely to try and break
> > the controls on music and not on books. The very information that we
> > have collected to advance our society will be exactly that which is
> > locked away. The library industry is surely fretting at its ability to
> > continue to delivery borrowable materials in a world where the false
> > scarcity no longer exists. But we still need the library, we need the
> > access and we do not need it limited.
> >
> > Now what does Holden have to do with this. Well for anyone who doesn't
> > know, the book has had a long history of controversy for its content. I
> > quote http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Catcher_in_the_Rye
> >
> > "In 1960 a teacher was fired for assigning the novel in class. He was
> > later reinstated.[28] Between 1961 and 1982, The Catcher in the Rye was
> > the most censored book in high schools and libraries in the United
> > States.[29] In 1981, it was both the most censored book and the second
> > most taught book in public schools in the United States.[30] According
> > to the American Library Association, The Catcher in the Rye was the
> > tenth most frequently challenged book from 1990–1999.[9] It was one of
> > the ten most challenged books in 2005, and has been off the list since
> > 2006.[31]"
> >
> > There were then, are today, and will be books that annoy parents and
> > various groups. But maybe next time the material will exist in an e-book
> > DRM vendor controlled format. That makes it only one short click from
> > being filtered forever.
> >
> > Who would do such a thing? Well this is where we get back to our
> > vendors. Amazon had pulled an entire publisher Macmillan, and Apple is
> > well known for filtering and rejecting Apps with little or no feedback
> > or reasoning. And they both have this power as they are the only way to
> > get to those users.
> >
> > Someday, Jeff Bezos or Steve Jobs companies will come under pressure to
> > filter, or define material as inappropriate for their platforms. When
> > that day comes I hope Holden and his future friends have also spilled
> > some real ink and not just been as virtual as any other imaginary
> > electronic world.
> >
> > Jeff Horton - Idea Technician
> > rockiehost.com/jhorton
> > twitter.com/jeffhorton
> >
> >
> >
> >
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