Re John Perry Barlow: Internet has broken political

[Dave Farber <dfarber () me com>]

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> From: "Synthesis:Law and Technology Law and Technology" <synthesis.law.and.technology () gmail com>
> Date: June 6, 2010 11:22:40 PM EDT
> To: dave () farber net
> Cc: ip <ip () v2 listbox com>
> Subject: Re: [IP] John Perry Barlow: Internet has broken political

> Dave,
>  
> I'm not necessarily in total agreement with Barlow on this one, but the reply seems lacking in logic and overburdened 
> with rhetoric. What does it matter that Barlow knew JFK jr other than to prove name-dropping knowledge of him?  Does 
> it demonstrate that Barlow is fronting for someone?  Just because you know some one doesn't mean you believe 
> everything they say and stand for does it?
>  
> Dan Steinberg
>
> SYNTHESIS:Law & Technology
> 35, du Ravin phone: (613) 794-5356
> Chelsea, Quebec 
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> On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 10:21 PM, Dave Farber <dfarber () me com> wrote:
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> > From: Newmedia () aol com
> > Date: June 4, 2010 12:30:42 PM EDT
> > To: dave () farber net
> > Subject: [Corrected] Re: [IP] John Perry Barlow: Internet has broken political
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> > Dave etal:
> >  
> > There he goes again!  Famous as a libertarian (and infamous as an LSD shaman), Barlow has been making this 
> > declaration for 15+ years and he's just as wrong today as he was with his "Declaration of Independence for 
> > Cyberspace" in 1996. 
> >  
> > Today Cyberspace is a battlefield, not an independent trans-national sphere.  Just ask Google.
> >  
> > Human social organizations -- large (i.e. nation-states) and small (i.e. non-profits like EFF) -- are all run by 
> > ELITES.  Everyone of them.  Read Art Kleiner's "Who Really Matters" if you would like an update on the reasons why 
> > this has always been true.  Or if you really want the full history, read Michael Mann's superb 2-volume "The Sources 
> > of Social Power."
> >  
> > At best, the "people" get to choose which elite they want to be in charge or, as often happens, the balance between 
> > the competing elites.  For instance, when they chose Baraka Obama, they were choosing the elite behind the 
> > non-Clinton-wing of the Democrats (i.e. the Carter group and their "globalist" backers.)
> >  
> > Barlow knows all this.  If you are against the nation-state, then you are "for" some sort of global government.  He 
> > has been around for long enough and has personally known many members of the elite (recall his very close friendship 
> > with JFK Jr.), so the question is which ELITE is he fronting for? 
> >  
> > Mark Stahlman
> > New York City
> >  
> > In a message dated 6/4/2010 10:11:12 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dave () farber net writes:
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> > From: dewayne () warpspeed com (Dewayne Hendricks)
> > Date: June 3, 2010 2:48:21 PM EDT
> > To: Dewayne-Net Technology List <xyzzy () warpspeed com>
> > Subject: [Dewayne-Net] John Perry Barlow: Internet has broken political system
> >
> > John Perry Barlow: Internet has broken political system
> > By Gautham Nagesh   - 06/03/10 01:17 PM ET
> > <http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/101273-john-perry-barlow-internet-has-broken-political-system>
> >
> > The deluge of information available on the Web has made the country ungovernable, according to Electronic Frontier 
> > Foundation co-founder John Perry Barlow.
> >
> > "The political system is broken partly because of Internet," Barlow said. "It's made it impossible to govern 
> > anything the size of the nation-state. We're going back to the city-state. The nation-state is ungovernably 
> > information-rich."
> >
> > Speaking at Personal Democracy Forum in New York on Thursday, Barlow said there is too much going on at every level 
> > in Washington, D.C., for the government to effectively handle everything on its plate. Instead, he advocated 
> > citizens organizing around the issues most important to them.
> >
> > Barlow also said that President Barack Obama's election, driven largely by small donations, has fundamentally 
> > changed American politics. He said a similar bottom-up structure is needed for governing as well.
> >
> > "It's not the second coming, everything won't get better overnight, but that made it possible to see a future where 
> > it wasn’t simply a matter of money to define who won these things," Barlow said. "The government could finally start 
> > belonging to people eventually."
> >
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