re Jewish prayer causes flight diversion

[Dave Farber <dave () farber net>]

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Seth Grimes <grimes () altaplana com>
> Date: January 21, 2010 4:13:52 PM EST
> To: Ted Kircher <tkircher () comcast net>
> Cc: Abe Singer <abe () oyvay nu>, Dave Farber <dave () farber net>, Seth  
> Grimes <grimes () altaplana com>
> Subject: Re: [IP] re  Jewish prayer causes flight diversion

> Ted, was it reasonable?
>
> Tefillin.  I'll note, by way of context, that this was a flight out  
> of New York City.  This wasn't a flight from Boise to Salt Lake  
> City.  There was no one on the plane who recognized what the kid was  
> doing?
>
>                Seth
>
>
> On Thu, 21 Jan 2010, Dave Farber wrote:
>
> > Begin forwarded message:
> >
> > > From: Abe Singer <abe () oyvay nu>
> > > Date: January 21, 2010 3:43:22 PM EST
> > > To: Ted Kircher <tkircher () comcast net>
> > > Cc: Dave Farber <dave () farber net>
> > > Subject: Re: [IP] Jewish prayer causes flight diversion
> >
> > > [ Dr. Farber, please post this followup to IP if you want]
> > > Sorry, I still think it's absurd.  Tefillin are not at all unusual
> > > to the Jewish American public.  This was an ignorant, hysterical,
> > > unnecessary reaction.
> > > What percentage of the population would have to be familiar with an
> > > object for it to not require approval?  How is the traveller
> > > supposed to know what that percentage is?
> > > What is the acceptable level of ignorance that justifies diverting  
> > > a plane?
> > > Does it take a majority on the plane to find someone/something  
> > > unusual?
> > > Or just a small minority?  Or just an ignorant crew member?
> > > Should a plane be divereted because someone doesn't like another  
> > > person's
> > > haircut?
> > > And *who* decides all this?  The Census Bureau?
> > > On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 02:29:08PM -0500, Ted Kircher wrote:
> > > > Abe,
> > > > As to your comment, "Just when I thought it couldn't get more  
> > > > absurd",
> > > > I think this was a reasonable response in US's climate of  
> > > > 'terrorism fear' today.
> > > > Anything that is unfamiliar to the general American public, such  
> > > > as a tefillin, is
> > > > very likely to create this sort of reaction.
> > > > As such, a person who wants to handle an unusual object (to  
> > > > Americans) during
> > > > a flight should get it approved (in some way that the flight crew  
> > > > would understand)
> > > > during check-in to avoid this type of problem.
> > > > PS: Mass transportation (planes, train, bus, ..) security issues  
> > > > are only going to
> > > >    become more complex since terrorists weapons are going to be  
> > > > smaller and
> > > >    more powerful.
> > > > Ted
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Dave Farber
> > > > To: ip
> > > > Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 1:12 PM
> > > > Subject: [IP] Jewish prayer causes flight diversion
> > > > > From: "Abe Singer" <abe () oyvay nu>
> > > > > To: "Dave Farber" <dave () farber net>
> > > > > Date: January 21, 2010 12:54:19 PM EST
> > > > > Subject: Jewish prayer causes flight diversion
> > > > > Dr. Farber,
> > > > > For IP if you wish:
> > > > > Just when I thought it couldn't get more absurd, a flight today  
> > > > > got
> > > > > diverted with bomb scare due to someone deeming a Jewish prayer  
> > > > > by a US
> > > > > citizen to be suspicious.
> > > > > http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/01/21/national/main6123671.shtml
> > > > > KYW reports that US Air flight 3079 from LaGuardia to Louisville  
> > > > > was
> > > > > diverted to Philadelpia after a the passenger removed a   
> > > > > "tefillin,"
> > > > > a religious item used by observant Jewish men during weekday  
> > > > > morning
> > > > > prayers, after takeoff.
> > > > > -- Abe
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