Re: MUST READ: Google may end China operations over data breach

[David Farber <dave () farber net>]

Begin forwarded message:

From: Andrew C Burnette <acb () acb net>
Date: January 13, 2010 4:46:41 PM EST
To: dave () farber net
Cc: edyson () edventure com, Brett Glass <brett () lariat net>
Subject: Re: [IP] re MUST READ: Google may end China operations over data breach

Hi Folks,

I would say at a more fundamental level, the issue that has google "torqued" (and rightly so) is not the sovereign 
rules of a given country in which they operate, but the apparently blatant violation of their systems (including that 
which is intended to comply with the local law).

Many countries (India is a good example, with VSNL having bought numerous undersea cable systems; they require key 
escrow for all comms across their systems) have specific requirements, including our much maligned patriot act. Google 
does business in compliance with local laws for the most part, as do many multinationals.

(for better or worse, at least here in the US, if you actually had a choice, you could vote those legislators out who 
authorize the patriot act or other such questionable laws....but that's not what's in play here)

So, I think I'm highlighting the "compliance with local law" versus "hacking into my [company] systems without 
permission" as the major difference here.

Best regards,
Andy Burnette

On 01/13/2010 02:51 PM, Dave Farber wrote:
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> > *From:* Esther Dyson <edyson () edventure com <mailto:edyson () edventure com>>
> > *Date:* January 13, 2010 2:26:36 PM EST
> > *To:* <mailto:dave () farber net>dave () farber net <mailto:dave () farber net>
> > *Cc:* Brett Glass <brett () lariat net <mailto:brett () lariat net>>
> > *Subject:* *Re: [IP] MUST READ: Google may end China operations over
> > data breach*
> >
> > there's a big difference in how censorship works in those two
> > countries. Of course, it's always dangerous to leave too much power to
> > governments, but it's foolish not to make appropriate distinctions.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Jan 13, 2010, at 2:08 PM, David Farber wrote:
> >
> > > Begin forwarded message:
> > >
> > > From: Brett Glass <brett () lariat net <mailto:brett () lariat net>>
> > > Date: January 13, 2010 12:18:16 AM EST
> > > To: dave () farber net <mailto:dave () farber net>, "ip" <ip () v2 listbox com
> > > <mailto:ip () v2 listbox com>>
> > > Subject: Re: [IP] ] MUST READ: Google may end China operations over
> > > data breach
> > >
> > > What I find extremely interesting is that Google is protesting
> > > censorship by the Chinese government but is willingly cooperating
> > > with the Indian government to censor not only searches but also
> > > online discussions; see
> > >
> > > http://www.inquisitr.com/3901/google-training-censorship-police-in-india/
> > >
> > > http://www.boingboing.net/2007/03/13/india_googles_orkut_.html
> > >
> > > http://advocacy.globalvoicesonline.org/2008/05/22/india-google-assists-police-in-orkut-users-arrest/
> > >
> > > This inconsistency makes one wonder whether Google is sincere in its
> > > condemnation of Chinese censorship, or whether it is considering
> > > abandoning China because it is having difficulty making a profit
> > > there and is being beaten by local competitor Baidu; see
> > >
> > > http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2007/10/26/googles-chinese-competitor-baidu-doubles-profit
> > >
> > > --Brett Glass
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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