re re Internet implies (only) a computer? (was: Case closed: why most of USA lacks 100Mbps 'Net connections)

[Dave Farber <dave () farber net>]

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Mary Shaw <mary.shaw () gmail com>
> Date: February 27, 2010 1:23:11 PM EST
> To: dave () farber net, Peter Capek <capek () ieee org>
> Subject: Re: [IP] re Internet implies (only) a computer? (was: Case  
> closed: why most of USA lacks 100Mbps 'Net connections)

> The Pew Foundation surveys include WiFi access, including Internet  
> access on smartphones. The data is sliced in lots of ways; go to http://www.pewinternet.org/ 
>  to pursue specific questions.  I'd guess that people recognize web  
> browsing and email on cell phones as "using the internet", but I'm  
> less certain that they recognize distributed games.  Getting movies  
> via broadband that happens to be packaged with cable TV services --  
> I'd guess that lots of people think that's part of cable TV.
>
> Mary Shaw
>
> On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 1:11 PM, Dave Farber <dave () farber net> wrote:
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> > From: Peter Capek <capek () ieee org>
> > Date: February 27, 2010 12:50:25 PM EST
> > To: dave () farber net
> > Subject: Internet implies (only) a computer? (was: Case closed: why  
> > most of USA lacks 100Mbps 'Net connections)
>
> > Gerry Faulhaber observed that about 76% of US homes presently a
> > computer and about 63% have a broadband service, and
> > goes on to state that if you don't have a computer at home, you won't
> > get broadband service.   But I wonder if the devices -
> > which I see from the ads in my Sunday paper are commonplace - which
> > use a broadband internet connection, sometimes disguised as a DVD or
> > Blu-Ray player, which provide access to Netflix and other
> > non-carrier-provided movie services won't take up much of the  
> > "slack".
> >   Harking back to Mary Shaw's comment, I wonder if people who are
> > using (only) these devices would answer "yes" when asked if they were
> > using the  Internet.   My bet would be that they mostly would not.
> >
> >            Peter Capek
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 11:39 AM, David Farber <dave () farber net>  
> > wrote:
> > > Begin forwarded message:
> > >
> > > From: "Gerry Faulhaber" <gerry-faulhaber () mchsi com>
> > > Date: February 27, 2010 11:16:50 AM EST
> > > To: <dave () farber net>
> > > Subject: Re: [IP] must read ] Case closed: why most of USA lacks  
> > > 100Mbps 'Net connections
> > >
> > > Dave [for IP if you like]--
> > >
> > > A critical number that we all forget when talkinig about  
> > > (wireline)  BB to every home: less than 80% (maybe more like 76%)  
> > > of US households have a PC, and this number exhibits almost no  
> > > recent growth. 63% of households now have BB.  If you don't have a  
> > > PC you will never get wireline BB.  So our actual room for  
> > > improvement in wireline BB (to catch up with Denmark and Korea in  
> > > the OECD league tables, if that is our national objective) is very  
> > > slim.
> > >
> > > I agree with Genachowski and Blair Levin at the FCC that we need  
> > > to plan much more seriously about wireless BB.
> >
> > > Professor Emeritus Gerry Faulhaber
> > > Wharton School and Penn Law, University of Pennsylvania
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Dave Farber
> > > To: ip
> >
> > > Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 9:27 AM
> > > Subject: [IP] must read ] Case closed: why most of USA lacks  
> > > 100Mbps 'Net connections
> >
> > > Begin forwarded message:
> > >
> > > > From: Mary Shaw <mary.shaw () gmail com>
> > > > Date: February 27, 2010 9:21:55 AM EST
> > > > To: dave () farber net, Dewayne Hendricks <dewayne () warpspeed com>
> > > > Subject: Re: [IP] Case closed: why most of USA lacks 100Mbps 'Net  
> > > > connections
> > >
> > > > Perhaps a small thing, but details matter.  The Pew Foundation's
> >
> > > > project on the Internet and American Life published an annual
> > > > assessment of the demographics of Internet users.  According to the
> > > > current survey at
> > > > http://www.pewinternet.org/Static-Pages/Trend-Data/Whos-Online.aspx
> > > > in December 2009 74% of American adults used the internet.
> > > >
> > > > This is a slight drop from their survey in April 2009, which did  
> > > > not
> > >
> > > > include Spanish interviews. At that time they found that 79% of
> > > > English-speaking adults use the internet.
> > > >
> > > > Back to December 2009, penetration is 93% for the age 18-29
> > > > demographic, so it's probably fair to assume that it's also high  
> > > > for
> > > > kids under 18, down to some age that I can't pin down where
> > > > penetration is more in their parents' control than their own.
> > > >
> > > > Penetration is only 60% for household income less than $30K/year,  
> > > > but
> > > > I don' t know how to separate "can't afford" from "don't care",  
> > > > though
> > >
> > > > the 39% penetration for adults with less than high school education
> > > > provides a hint.
> > >
> > > > Their April 2009 survey showed 63% with broadband at home with an
> > > > average monthly bill of $39, up 15% from a year earlier.
> > > > http://www.pewinternet.org/Reports/2009/10-Home-Broadband-Adoption-2009.aspx
> >
> > > > Main reasons for not using the Internet or email were "just not
> > > > interested" (22%), "don't have access" (16%) and "too  
> > > > expensive" (10%)
> > >
> > > > Mary Shaw
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 5:06 AM, David Farber <dave () farber net>  
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > > Begin forwarded message:
> > > >
> > > > > From: dewayne () warpspeed com (Dewayne Hendricks)
> > > > > Date: February 24, 2010 1:45:49 PM EST
> > >
> > > > > To: Dewayne-Net Technology List <xyzzy () warpspeed com>
> > >
> > > > > Subject: [Dewayne-Net] Case closed: why most of USA lacks  
> > > > > 100Mbps 'Net connections
> > > >
> > > > > Case closed: why most of USA lacks 100Mbps 'Net connections
> > > > > By Matthew Lasar | Last updated February 23, 2010 9:42 AM
> >
> > > > > <http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/02/case-closed-why-most-of-usa-lacks-100mbps-net-connections.ars 
> > > > > >
> > > > [[snip]]
> > > > > But in case you didn't notice, 100Mbps x 100 million didn't  
> > > > > happen. About 75 to 77 million Americans currently access some  
> > > > > kind of broadband, according to the latest data. That's only  
> > > > > assuming, however, that you accept 200Kbps as a flavor of "high  
> > > > > speed Internet." And a huge chunk of the population (over 30  
> > > > > percent) never go online at all—less because they're retired 
> > > > >  and not interested; more often because they can't afford th 
> > > > > e prices.
> > > > [[snip]]
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