$12 million !!!! -- really total $61 M

[David Farber <dave () farber net>]

Begin forwarded message:

From: Bob Hinden <bob.hinden () gmail com>
Date: July 2, 2009 6:12:16 PM EDT
To: dave () farber net
Cc: Bob Hinden <bob.hinden () gmail com>, Richard Shockey <richard () shockey us 
>
Subject: Re: [IP] $12 million !!!!   -- really total $61 M

Dave,

For IP, if you wish.

What Richard said is correct.  Speaking as the IETF Administrative  
Oversight Committee (IAOC) chair, the IETF annual budget runs about  
$5M year, with attendance fees and sponsorships paying for about 2/3  
of that and the ISOC paying for the remainder.  Lots of detail at:

 http://iaoc.ietf.org/budget.html

It would appear that ICANN spends more than 2x on travel per year than  
the total cost to run the IETF.

Bob


On Jul 2, 2009, at 2:16 PM, David Farber wrote:

> Begin forwarded message:
>
> From: "Richard Shockey" <richard () shockey us>
> Date: July 2, 2009 3:20:34 PM EDT
> To: <dave () farber net>
> Subject: RE: [IP] Re:   $12 million !!!!
>
>
> Well as a long time IETF participant WG chair etc I take considerable
> offence to that note.
>
> All of us pay our own expenses to IETF meetings and the secretariat is
> principally funded by the attendance fees with considerable help  
> from ISOC.
>
> The current ICANN budget for 09 is nearly 61 Million total which is  
> nearly
> unbelievable to some of us since ICANN essentially does nothing but  
> act as a
> taxation authority for GTLD's.
>
> To even suggest that ICANN is the 'governing body of the Internet"  
> is nearly
> laughable on its face since it operates only on voluntary compliance  
> with a
> series RFC, nothing more.
>
> Google and now BING have ended the argument once and for all on the  
> utility
> of more GTLD's but what the heck if you want 10,000 or so it won't  
> make any
> difference that is a proven engineering fact.. open up the 3 letter  
> ISO 3166
> codes to Nation States if folks really think there is a problem.
>
> Of course that ICANN does not do very much is fine with the real  
> Internet
> Engineering community since the last thing the Internet needs is a
> regulator.
>
> However as a newly unemployed IP engineer there may be some utility to
> sticking my head in the ICANN consultant troth from time to time.
>
> > From: Richard Perlman <rdp () yikes com>
> > Date: July 2, 2009 10:09:13 AM EDT
> > To: David Farber <dave () farber net>, ip <ip () v2 listbox com>
> > Subject: Re: [IP] $12 million !!!!
> >
> > For IP if you wish...
> >
> > I think Marshal Rose's MFLD* comment (I believe re: the IETF) might
> > apply
> > here as well.
>
>
>
>
>
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