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Re: From Declan DO READ OK-- who is saying what. Either Declan is mis-reporting or Tony is wrong or both are partilaly right or wrong.
From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 09:16:09 -0400
Begin forwarded message: From: Jacob Appelbaum <jacob () appelbaum net> Date: September 13, 2008 1:42:32 AM EDT To: Tony Rutkowski <trutkowski () verisign com>Cc: Edward Vielmetti <edward.vielmetti () gmail com>, David Farber <dave () farber net >, Steven Bellovin <smb () cs columbia edu>, Declan McCullagh <declan.mccullagh () CNET COM > Subject: Re: [IP] From Declan DO READ OK-- who is saying what. Either Declan is mis-reporting or Tony is wrong or both are partilaly right or wrong.
Tony Rutkowski wrote:
Hi Ed,Here is the page on the ITU site re Declan's disputed document, as listed on the meeting notes from http://www.itu.int/md/T05-SG17-080407-TD/enSomeone (Tony?) with proper TIES access can verify this document text.There are many documents in that directory and they were all checked. As I indicated in my email, there is no such document. A team of people searched everything imaginable.
For what exactly? What were you checking for?
The basis for work remains an array of documents that are all directed at effecting source authentication for an array of essential needs such as mitigating DOS attacks and SPAM, effecting settlements, adding consumer protection features, NSEP, and meeting legal and regulatory requirements.
That sounds interesting. I'd love to be able to read all of the documents involved with this work.
Ironically, the most significant effort in this area in the ITU-T is actually Larry Roberts' specifications for authenticated IP streams.
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The infamous text was finally discovered to be the musings of someone in a private email - someone who is actually an American consultant. He is expected to provide an explanation on Monday.
Didn't you just say that there is no such document? What document were you referring to that wasn't found? If you're not discussing the email that you've found, what were you looking for? Unless I misunderstand what you're saying; thank you for confirming that the leaked document in question is legitimate. It's not just Steven Bellovin or Declan McCullagh making that claim. It's confirmed by Verisign now. Can you explain what relation this consultant has to Verisign, the ITU or any of the other involved parties? Perhaps the consultant would like to disclose his name so that we can include him in this discussion? I'm very curious to hear his explanation for the requirements he listed. Just to reiterate, the leaked document[0] said the following (in addition to other things): '1.5 Proxy "Safe harbor" A political opponent to a government publishes articles putting the government in an unfavorable light. The government, having a law against any opposition, tries to identify the source of the negative articles but the articles having been published via a proxy server, is unable to do so protecting the anonymity of the author.' Are you saying that this isn't a requirement? Or that the requirement wasn't adopted? I don't have TIES access and so I cannot read all of the documents in question. It seems rather odd to keep people in the dark about such an important issue. Or is the idea that we should wait until 2009?
As a former journalist, I regard the behavior here as highly irresponsible journalism, and I'll not further communicate with those who behave so egregiously, nor authorize quotes from my emails.
What do you specifically take issue with? Didn't you just confirm the leaked document? Hadn't it already been confirmed by a reputable source? Regards, Jacob Appelbaum [0] http://politechbot.com/docs/itu.traceback.use.cases.requirements.091108.txt ------------------------------------------- Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/247/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/247/ Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
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