Re: what is the cost of bb deployment

[David Farber <dave () farber net>]

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From: "Bob Frankston" <Bob19-0501 () bobf frankston com>
Date: October 2, 2008 10:43:14 PM EDT
To: <dave () farber net>, "'ip'" <ip () v2 listbox com>
Cc: "'Tom Bleha'" <tbleha () earthlink net>
Subject: RE: [IP] what is the cost of bb deployment

I’d be glad to provide Senator Inoyue with answers but first we need  
to be careful about the framing of the question. We have lots of  
potential capacity now -- it's not a question of how much it will cost  
but why we don’t recognize the value. The question is why we aren't  
using what we already have -- why are we running copper at phone  
speeds and use so little of the potential capacity of the fiber and  
wireless infrastructure.

Perhaps far more important – how much can we save by having a common  
fungible infrastructure rather than paying for purpose-built redundant  
infrastructures and having to pay a service fee just to use the  
existing infrastructure even when it has been fully paid for.

Asking how much “ultrafast” wireless costs is a telling question – it  
seems as if the costs are all based on spectrum policy and do not  
reflect an actual cost of the technology. The question then is why we  
tolerate the artificial scarcity that has created this artificial  
cost. What does it even mean to have a nationwide wireless  
infrastructure – is this yet another infrastructure island rather than  
a way to complement existing connectivity?

When we do deploy new infrastructure (be it fiber or whatever) then,  
as I’ve recently written we need to be careful in accepting today’s  
prices as intrinsic costs. It’s also useful to get perspective by  
comparing costs with other infrastructure such as highways. What would  
it cost to add fiber runs when we do roadwork? Of course fiber is just  
a technology and it is simply an option and not prerequisite.

It’s no surprise that Inoyue didn’t get answers – it’s a meaningless  
question as long as the infrastructure is locked up deep inside telecom.

-----Original Message-----
From: David Farber [mailto:dave () farber net]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 20:30
To: ip
Subject: [IP] what is the cost of bb deployment



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From: Tom Bleha <tbleha () earthlink net>
Date: October 2, 2008 7:05:48 PM EDT
To: dave () farber net
Subject: Re: [IP] GENI Spiral 1 - startup

For IP, if you think it's appropriate.

Late last month, Senator Inoyue held a hearing on broadband and asked
those testifying at least twice how much it would cost to deploy
broadband across the entire country.  No one had an answer for him.

If we expect to have nationwide broadband, if would be helpful to have
an answer.  Does anyone on the IP list have a good estimate for the
cost of:

   -- nationwide fiber broadband (reaching 98% of the population or
so) and

   -- nationwide ultrafast (100 mbps+) wireless?

   Many thanks, Tom Bleha
----- Original Message ----- From: "David Farber" <dave () farber net>
To: "ip" <ip () v2 listbox com>
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 11:06 AM
Subject: [IP] GENI Spiral 1 - startup


>
> GENI Project Office at BBN Technologies Announces $12M in Funding
> for  29 Academic-Industrial Teams
>
> Academic and Industry Powerhouses Kick Off GENI Prototyping
>
>
> CAMBRIDGE, Mass., September 29, 2008 - BBN Technologies, an advanced
> technology solutions firm, announced today subcontract awards
> totaling $12M for 29 academic/industrial research teams to build,
> integrate,  and begin to operate the first prototypes of the GENI
> suite of network research infrastructure. GENI prototyping is
> sponsored by the National Science Foundation to support experimental
> research in network science and engineering.
>
> GENI prototyping will be conducted using a "spiral development"
> approach, with simultaneous development and trials giving rapid
> feedback to help guide evolving designs.  Spiral 1 focuses on ways
> to  discover, schedule, and control resources for large-scale
> research  experiments and to measure GENI capabilities. Multiple
> competing  approaches are being funded to provide design insights
> for the  evolving suite of experimental infrastructure. Successive
> spirals will  refine and extend the GENI suite in response to the
> research  community's evolving interests in network science and
> engineering.
>
> "GENI Spiral 1 has begun!" said Chip Elliott, GENI Project Director.
> "This first spiral will federate a wide variety of network research
> infrastructure, ranging from optical backbones to disk farms to
> sensor networks, with the very first prototypes up and running in
> six to  twelve months."
>
> Awardees include the following universities, colleges, institutes
> and centers: Arizona, Carnegie Mellon, Columbia, Georgia Tech,
> Houston, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Langston, Maryland,
> Massachusetts-Amherst  (2), Massachusetts-Lowell, Ohio State,
> Pittsburgh Supercomputing,  Princeton, RENCI, Rutgers (2), Southern
> California, Stanford, SUNY  Buffalo, Utah, Washington, Washington
> University in St. Louis,   Wisconsin-Madison, and Williams.
>
> Corporations, including Ciena, Cisco, CNRI, Fujitsu, Hewlett-
> Packard, Infinera, Microsoft Research, NEC, Netronome, SPARTA, and
> Qwest will  work with these academic teams.
>
> The complete list of proposals funded in GENI Spiral 1 is as follows:
>
> * Carnegie Mellon University - David Andersen
> * CNRI (Corporation for National Research Initiatives) - Larry Lannom
> * Columbia University - Keren Bergman
> * Georgia Tech - Nick Feamster
> * Indiana University - Jon-Paul Herron
> * Langston University - Pierre Tiako
> * Ohio State University - Anish Arora
> * Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center - Matt Mathis
> * Princeton University - Larry Peterson
> * RENCI (Renaissance Computing Institute) - Ilia Baldine
> * Rutgers - Dipankar Raychaudhuri
> * Rutgers - Marco Gruteser
> * SPARTA, Inc.- Steve Schwab
> * Stanford University - Nick McKeown
> * SUNY Buffalo - Chunming Qiao
> * University of Arizona - John Hartman
> * University of Houston - Deniz Gurkan
> * University of Kansas - James Sterbenz
> * University of Kentucky - James Griffioen
> * University of Maryland/Mid-Atlantic Crossroads - Peter O'Neil
> * University of Massachusetts-Lowell - Yan Luo
> * University of Massachusetts-Amherst - Brian Levine
> * University of Massachusetts-Amherst - Jim Kurose
> * University of Southern California/ISI - John Wroclawski
> * University of Utah - Jay Lepreau
> * University of Washington - Thomas Anderson
> * University of Wisconsin-Madison - Paul Barford
> * Washington University in St. Louis - Jon Turner
> * Williams College - Jeannie Albrecht
>   About GENI and the GENI Project Office
> GENI is a suite of experimental network research infrastructure
> sponsored by the National Science Foundation. As envisioned by the
> community, this suite will support a wide range of network science
> and  engineering experiments such as new protocols and data
> dissemination  techniques running over a substantial fiber optic
> infrastructure with next-generation optical switches, novel high-
> speed routers, city-wide experimental urban radio networks, high-end
> computational clusters,  and sensor grids. All infrastructures are
> envisioned to be shared  among a large number of individual,
> simultaneous experiments with  extensive instrumentation that makes
> it easy to collect, analyze, and  share real measurements. The GENI
> Project Office, operated by BBN  Technologies, is responsible for
> project management and leading system  development and prototyping
> efforts. Visit www.geni.net for more  information.
>
> About BBN Technologies
> BBN Technologies is a legendary R&D organization that leverages its
> substantial intellectual property portfolio to produce advanced,
> repeatable solutions such as the Boomerang shooter detection
> system.  With expertise spanning information security, speech and
> language  processing, networking, distributed systems, and sensing
> and control  systems, BBN scientists and engineers have amassed a
> substantial  collection of innovations and patented solutions. BBN
> now employs  approximately 700 people in seven locations in the US:
> Cambridge,  Massachusetts (headquarters); Arlington, Virginia;
> Columbia, Maryland;  Middletown, Rhode Island; San Diego,
> California; St. Louis Park,  Minnesota; and O'Fallon, Illinois. For
> more information, visit www.bbn.com .
>
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