Re: "The ID Divide"

[David Farber <dave () farber net>]

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From: Joel M Snyder [Joel.Snyder () Opus1 COM]
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 12:37 PM
To: David Farber
Cc: dan () lynch com
Subject: Re: [IP] Re:     "The ID Divide"

That's not ID in the classical sense; it's simply a way of reproducibly saying
that this is the same guy who was in here last week.

It's very useful for what you want to do (keep records and people matched up),
but honestly isn't too germane to the discussion of "who are you" which is an
entirely different question entirely.

There are those of us who feel that authenticating ourselves (which is actually
what most ID requests are about) using a password that we can't change and which
has to be shared among all service providers is not really a smart idea.

jms


David Farber wrote:
> ________________________________________
> From: Dan Lynch [dan () lynch com]
> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 11:44 AM
> To: David Farber; Mary Shaw
> Subject: Re: [IP] Re:    "The ID Divide"
>
> I am on the board of a large health clinic for people of all categories and
> what we realize is that the only ID that will work is one the patient brings
> in with every visit: their biometric identity, the iris in their eyes.  A
> tiny fraction of individuals will not have that due to unfortunate
> circumstances and those can be handled "offline".
>
> Dan
>
>
> On 6/9/08 4:35 AM, "David Farber" <dave () farber net> wrote:
>
> > ________________________________________
> > From: Mary Shaw [mary.shaw () gmail com]
> > Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 12:40 AM
> > To: David Farber
> > Subject: Re: [IP] Re: "The ID Divide"
> >
> > Dave,
> >
> > This discussion is ignoring an important population, people who are neither
> > illegal nor privacy advocates.
> >
> > One of my colleagues formerly worked with a medical clinic serving indigent
> > clients.  He has told me that one of their problems was tracking clients --
> > that is, matching a client in the clinic today with his or her history at that
> > or other clinics.
> >
> > You might expect that an ID card would solve, or at least help with, this
> > problem.  But he reports that the clients didn't retain and bring back ID
> > cards. If I understand correctly, many clients didn't see the ID card as an
> > item of any significance; if it had any value they'd have no hesitation to
> > trade it away.
> >
> > So a discussion of universal ID needs to consider how to persuade people that
> > ID matters and how they can maintain physical security of the ID token..
> >
> > That problem is even more intractable than the technology problems, and I
> > think it's another reason why universal ID won't succeed.
> >
> > Mary Shaw
> >
> >
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