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Japan - some context that you are probably aware ...Re: Re: Getting Real About the Internet
From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:01:23 -0700
________________________________________ From: Scott Moskowitz [scott () bluespike com] Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 9:44 AM To: David Farber Subject: Re: Japan - some context that you are probably aware ...Re: [IP] Re: Getting Real About the Internet sure - can i add the caveat that this was not fact-checked but is from my own experiences living there for 7 years & work-related relationships with J-WAVE, DoCoMo - the software group, Yusen, Softbank & several mobile manufacturers ... hope you & the family are well ... Scott On Jul 31, 2008, at 9:32 AM, David Farber wrote:
ok if I send to IP? ________________________________________ From: Scott Moskowitz [scott () bluespike com] Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 9:13 AM To: David Farber Subject: Japan - some context that you are probably aware ...Re: [IP] Re: Getting Real About the Internet Prof. Farber - I know, of course, you have experience with Japan, so I wanted to point some issues out that may not be appropriate for IP ... recall that Japan has had few satellite channels (the one for NHK should not really count but nothing like cable service here), only 3-4 television networks and miniscule cable penetration not including "yusen" (cable music/audio - which is also a very interesting history). radio too is very tightly controlled. J-WAVE, which launched in 1988 or so, for instance is still a good example of a relative success albeit with much government involvement. but the functionality & and approach NTT took with DoCoMo including or excluding Softbank's real competitive pricing for their own offerings in the mobile handset/service/DSL markets -- is very different than how the mobile market has evolved here in the US ... Even NTT took a stake in ATT's early efforts in the 1990's push for mMode (that has been divested if I recall) and mMode (as a charter member) was innovative to a very minor extent except for the unlimited plans (charter member - "blue" SIM - ATT Wireless) they offered (2001) for $99.99 a month ... The pesky unknown charges for services like weather that became recurring charges without the knowledge of the consumer (or buried deep in a bill) was the huge negative ... NTT does not allow manufactures to put their "name" on DoCoMo phones only a designation like "F" = Fujitsu; "SO" - Sony; "N" = NEC. etc ... & the manner in which they grew the wireless network is much more dynamic and more akin to how Apple & AT&T made their split arrangements - very unlike how much control is exerted on the software side by Apple, however ... It is curious to see how folks like Twitter & other micro-blog-like services get their split on text revenue that too has a fixed price point in the public perception, say 10 cents per text message. TV in Japan is so different as to be meaningless in comparing why & how wireless services evolved in Japan. & still nothing to watch. On Jul 30, 2008, at 8:16 PM, David Farber wrote:with akk due respect, much of the talk re caps has less to do with traffic management and maybe more to do with competing with TV delivered via the net. Caps structured "correctly" will surcharge TV delivery over the net so much as to make it non competative with the cable (and fios} TV delivery systems. So we will continue with hundreds of channels and nothing to watch. djf ________________________________________ From: Brett Glass [brett () lariat net] Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 7:47 PM To: David Farber; ip Cc: lauren () vortex com Subject: Re: Getting Real About the Internet At 05:24 PM 7/30/2008, Lauren Weinstein wrote:The big ISPs' newly resurrected infatuations with bandwidth caps are often disingenuous at best. As we've seen, DOCSIS 3 is going to provide a whole lotta bandwidth for the cable ISPs.DOCSIS 3 may help some problems on the downstream side. However, remember Japan's experience with 100 Mbps to the home: P2P traffic expanded to saturate it. If P2P mitigation is not allowed, the upgrade will bring no benefit. What's more, faster pipes in the last mile do nothing to reduce the cost of backbone bandwidth, whose price is actually increasing in any location where it must be backhauled. (This due to price increases by the ILECs.)Why suddenly all the talk of caps from AT&T? Could it have anything to do with their ugly U-verse VRAD boxes sprouting like mushrooms in AT&T service areas, ready to provide television programming, PPV movies, and other content that might monetize more effectively if competing Internet-delivered offerings were effectively stifled by bandwidth caps?No; it has to do with the fact that they have only just upgraded their backbone and already project that the new capacity will be exhausted in two to three years.More and more, we're being flimflammed when it comes to Internet connectivity and associated terms of service limitations.This is simply untrue, Lauren. Let's REALLY get real here: The fact is that ALL ISPs are being slammed by exponentially increasing demand for bandwidth -- which certain parties, including yourself, seem to expect them to provide for free. --Brett Glass ------------------------------------------- Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/247/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/247/ Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
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