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Re: Banks Lose to Deadbeat Homeowners as Loans Sold in Bonds Vanish
From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 10:05:44 -0800
________________________________________ From: Dave Wilson [dave () wilson net] Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 12:56 PM To: David Farber Subject: Re: [IP] Re: Banks Lose to Deadbeat Homeowners as Loans Sold in Bonds Vanish Troubled lender Countrywide apparently deliberately fabricated legal documents in an attempt to foreclose on a house last year after bankruptcy discharged the debt. NYT has a story here: http://tinyurl.com/2zvkxw Excerpt: " The documents were generated in a case involving Sharon Diane Hill, a homeowner in Monroeville, Pa. Ms. Hill filed for Chapter 13 bankruptcy protection in March 2001 to try to save her home from foreclosure. After meeting her mortgage obligations under the 60-month bankruptcy plan, Ms. Hill’s case was discharged and officially closed on March 9, 2007. Countrywide, the servicer on her loan, did not object to the discharge; court records from that date show she was current on her mortgage. But one month later, Ms. Hill received a notice of intention to foreclose from Countrywide, stating that she was in default and owed the company $4,166. Court records show that the amount claimed by Countrywide was from the period during which Ms. Hill was making regular payments under the auspices of the bankruptcy court. They included “monthly charges” totaling $3,840 from November 2006 to April 2007, late charges of $128 and other charges of almost $200. A lawyer representing Ms. Hill in her bankruptcy case, Kenneth Steidl, of Steidl and Steinberg in Pittsburgh, wrote Countrywide a few weeks later stating that Ms. Hill had been deemed current on her mortgage during the period in question. But in May, Countrywide sent Ms. Hill another notice stating that her loan was delinquent and demanding that she pay $4,715.58. Neither Mr. Steidl nor Julia Steidl, who has also represented Ms. Hill, returned phone calls seeking comment. Justifying Ms. Hill’s arrears, Countrywide sent her lawyer copies of three letters on company letterhead addressed to the homeowner, as well as to Mr. Steidl and Ronda J. Winnecour, the Chapter 13 trustee for the western district of Pennsylvania. The Countrywide letters were dated September 2003, October 2004 and March 2007 and showed changes in escrow requirements on Ms. Hill’s loan. “This letter is to advise you that the escrow requirement has changed per the escrow analysis completed today,” each letter began. But Mr. Steidl told the court he had never received the letters. Furthermore, he noticed that his address on the first Countrywide letter was not the location of his office at the time, but an address he moved to later. Neither did the Chapter 13 trustee’s office have any record of receiving the letters, court records show. When Mr. Steidl discussed this with Leslie E. Puida, Countrywide’s outside counsel on the case, he said Ms. Puida told him that the letters had been “recreated” by Countrywide to reflect the escrow discrepancies, the court transcript shows. During these discussions, Ms. Puida reduced the amount that Countrywide claimed Ms. Hill owed to $1,500 from $4,700. Under questioning by the judge, Ms. Puida said that “a processor” at Countrywide had generated the letters to show how the escrow discrepancies arose. “They were not offered to prove that they had been sent,” Ms. Puida said. But she also said, under questioning from the court, that the letters did not carry a disclaimer indicating that they were not actual correspondence or that they had never been sent. A Countrywide spokesman said that in bankruptcy cases, Countrywide’s automated systems are sometimes overridden, with technicians making manual adjustments “to comply with bankruptcy laws and the requirements in the jurisdiction in which a bankruptcy is pending.” Asked by Judge Agresti why Countrywide would go to the trouble of “creating a letter that was never sent,” Ms. Puida, its lawyer, said she did not know...." David Farber wrote:
________________________________________ From: Tom Yates [madhatter () teaparty net] Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 8:48 AM To: David Farber Subject: Re: [IP] Banks Lose to Deadbeat Homeowners as Loans Sold in Bonds Vanish Prof. Farber: Poss. for IP? On Tue, 26 Feb 2008, dewayne () warpspeed com (Dewayne Hendricks) wrote:Feb. 22 (Bloomberg) -- Joe Lents hasn't made a payment on his $1.5 million mortgage since 2002. That's when Washington Mutual Inc. first tried to foreclose on his home in Boca Raton, Florida. The Seattle-based lender failed to prove that it owned Lents's mortgage note and dropped attempts to take his house. Subsequent efforts to foreclose have stalled because no one has produced the paperwork. ``If you're going to take my house away from me, you better own the note,'' said Lents, 63, the former chief executive officer of a now-defunct voice recognition software company. Judges in at least five states have stopped foreclosure proceedings because the banks that pool mortgages into securities and the companies that collect monthly payments haven't been able to prove they own the mortgages.It's not often that I start mumbling "Good for the US", but compare that legal attitude with the following story from The Guardian earlier this month: " Walton turned detective after being told by RBS that the amount he owed on his personal loan was much greater than he thought. He asked for a copy of his original loan agreement, but when he received it he knew at once that it wasn't the genuine article. He eventually found his original carbon copy, which confirmed his suspicions. Surely one of Britain's biggest banks isn't forging documents? Of course not - but it is controversially "recreating" them. [...] Recreating documents is not against the law; banks are allowed to supply replacements if the original paperwork has gone missing, provided they are "correct in all particulars". But some might say that when bank staff are "under pressure," to quote from that memo, mistakes creep in. In Walton's case, it was a string of errors. " Leaving, as in this case, the customer to prove that the bank was in error, instead of requiring the bank to prove that it's not. Got to love it, eh? The full story's at http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2008/feb/02/banks.consumeraffairs . -- Tom Yates - http://www.teaparty.net ------------------------------------------- Archives: http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/247/=now RSS Feed: http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/247/ Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
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