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Re: AOL/Microsoft-Hotmail Preventing Delivery of Truthout
From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 06:39:30 -0400
Begin forwarded message: From: "Tom Fairlie" <tfairlie () frontiernet net> Date: September 18, 2007 2:02:37 AM EDT To: <dave () farber net>Cc: <vxm () miglia com>, <brett () lariat net>, <imhopper () gmail com>, <jmelloy () msn com>, "Suresh Ramasubramanian" <suresh () hserus net>, <adam () io com>, <rob () iGive com>, <dpreed () reed com> Subject: Re: [IP] Re: AOL/Microsoft-Hotmail Preventing Delivery of Truthout
How can I resist? I cannot: "The truth has a liberal bias." I don't know who said that originally, but it partially sums up the situation in America and sheds light on a tragic meme that has been polluting our country for more than 20 years. I freely admit that liberals (the good old fashioned kind from New England that preferred unrestrained big business and no taxes) became the scourge of conservatives and libertarians when they suddenly went socialist (FDR-LBJ), but those days are as dead as the Kennedy brothers (no disrespect meant, bluntness was the intended effect). Now, since 1968, the right-wing rules (or didn't you notice?). Carter and Clinton liberals? Hah! The former started ramping up defense spending, deregulated the airline industry, began funding militant Islamists, and launched modern monetarism with Paul Volcker. The latter deregulated the telecom industry, silenced gays in the military, and signed DOMA. How liberal can that be? (modern socialist definition of course) The truth is (depending upon your education and honesty) that "liberal" behavior--free, educated, compassionate attitudes--are contrary to the globalist agenda (the same agenda as the former New England liberals, are you following? :-), so the globalists (aka greedy individuals with the power to actually make greed a bad thing) have spent vast resources demonizing them over the past 25 years. Their first attempt was to spread the "liberal media" label to encircle the few remaining outlets that tried to provide balanced coverage or (shudder) investigative reporting. As we can see, this was an effective strategy that effectively neutered any "real" left-wing discourse and moved the 50-yard line solidly to the right. The next agenda item was to attack college campuses, the last bastion of the educated, hippie, left. This plan is still being carried out and many campuses and professors have had to formalize shifts to the right in order to avoid funding problems, accusations in the media, etc. So what's left, given that our children's textbooks are already completely whitewashed? Not much really, except engaging our fellow citizens in educated discourse whenever possible. I highly suggest that everyone get over left/right stereotypes as quickly as possible because the political spectrum is not a straight line, it's a circle, where the far left and far right actually meet at the bottom. Haven't you ever noticed that every "deeper" movement (9/11 Truth, JFK assassination, New World Order, etc.) has just as many lefties as righties? This is because those who tire of either the blandness or the hypocrisy of the middle go their own ways and eventually began to agree on thecommon ground that we all share (freedom, liberty, justice, fear of '1984'). My personal take is that you don't have to go that far to see that common
ground and focus on it.Ignore the straight line and start seeing with better eyes. Left is not a
state of mind and neither is right. I have as much in common with NRA zealots as I do vegans--in other words, we need the freedom to do what we want as long as we don't hurt anyone (or the environment). I constantly attack Republicans and right-wingers because that's where the power base is now and where it has been for most of my adult life. I'm not a lefty, a Democrat, or a liberal. I'm an American and I like my freedoms, especially the one where I can speak my mind. Anytime a website or a book or a magazine or a television show is censored, our brains out to go into overdrive to determine what's going on and make sure that we're always getting what was originally intended. By the same token, we should never accept what *is* shown at face value because powerful, monied interests are investing a lot of money to make sure you see what they want you to see. It's a tightrope to besure, but once you step back and see the circus in front of you it's easy
to spot the lions and the clowns. If truthout is being censored, we ought to take notice and do something about it. Not because it's a lefty hangout but because it's a websitethat freely shares information and it's potentially being blocked. If the
Power Line blog was affected in the same way, I'd be just as outraged, even if I think that website is about as worthless as... (sorry, no need for an insulting simile right now). Tom Fairlie ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Farber" <dave () farber net> To: <ip () v2 listbox com> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 2:05 PM Subject: [IP] Re: AOL/Microsoft-Hotmail Preventing Delivery of Truthout Begin forwarded message: From: "Victor Marks" <vxm () miglia com> Date: September 17, 2007 2:47:04 PM EDT To: dave () farber net Cc: ip () v2 listbox com Subject: Re: [IP] Re: AOL/Microsoft-Hotmail Preventing Delivery of Truthout For IP if so desired.
At 07:05 PM 9/16/2007, Joe Melloy wrote:Truthout is a biased ultra-liberal website that does not deserve to be a participant in the IP community.
Agree with the former, disagree with the latter. Truthout is a biased ultra-liberal website. I doubt they would disagree with that, except when they wish to position themselves as appealing to a majority (but then, they feel that the majority should be as ultra-liberal as they. Such is the nature of political action groups.) "does not deserve to be a participant in the IP community" ? Deserve? I thought Dave decided who deserved and did not deserve to be a part of his community. It's not a free speech issue, Dave gets to pick and choose. Not me, not Malloy, or any one else. If Malloy wants to pick, let him start his own list. Shoot, Dave decides not only who is in or out of the community, he also decides who participates by selecting the email he forwards. I don't have a problem with this, it's Dave's list. He suppresses and discriminates against speech everytime that he chooses to not publish an email he receives for the list. There is nothing wrong with this. As for Truthout, it's entirely possible that they are not filtering their lists well, or that they are, and that people that once opted in or otherwise were added to their list have now decided to report the email as spam. I've seen people who have become convinced that because unsubscribe links don't work on real spam that they also do not work on otherwise legitimate email lists. These people have no problem reporting something they don't want as spam, whether or not it originated as solicited. I don't pretend to know if that is what happened here, but I imagine that it's not unlikely. Regards, Victor Marks ------------------------------------------- Archives: http://v2.listbox.com/member/archive/247/=now RSS Feed: http://v2.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/247/ Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com ------------------------------------------- Archives: http://v2.listbox.com/member/archive/247/=now RSS Feed: http://v2.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/247/ Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
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