(end of thread for a while djf) Re: One of four U.S. jobs headed overseas 1 and comment on

[David Farber <dave () farber net>]

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From: Cameron Wilson <wilson_c () hq acm org>
Date: June 14, 2007 10:25:26 AM EDT
To: David Farber <dave () farber net>, ip () v2 listbox com
Cc: Peter Harsha <harsha () cra org>, Moshe Vardi <vardi () CS RICE EDU>,  
John White <white () hq acm org>, "Aspray, William" <waspray () indiana edu>
Subject: Re: [IP] Re: One of four U.S. jobs headed overseas 1 and  
comment on

Dave --

I was at that hearing where Dr. Binder testified.  I encourage people to
actually read the testimony or watch the webcast and not get sucked  
into the
headlines:

"<http://science.house.gov/publications/hearings_markups_details.aspx? 
NewsID
=1864>"

It was a very good and balanced hearing.

What he stated was an estimate of the amount of jobs that COULD BE  
offshored
as an upward bound.  Right after that he stated very clearly that it  
isn't
realistic to expect that all those jobs will be offshored.

He said he raises these issues not to undercut trade but to point out  
how we
need to reform our education and training system to deal with a shift to
"personal service" jobs; ones that need more face-to-face contact.   
He went
on to point out that it was critical to remain the "hot bed of  
innovation"
by investing in basic research and encouraging students to go into STEM
fields.  He further stated the need to lead in creating new  
industries, but
also realize when to let them go. (The example he gave was the  
television
manufacturing industry.)

The next witness on the panel Dr. Martin Neil Baily, Senior Fellow at  
the
Peterson Institute for International Economics, stated that his  
studies had
found a more conservative estimate (11%) of jobs vulnerable.  He went  
on to
provide a table in his testimony (the last page)

"<http://democrats.science.house.gov/Media/File/Commdocs/hearings/ 
2007/full/
12jun/baily_testimony.pdf>"

that showed that IT job growth has been very strong from 1999 to  
2006, but
there had been shifts within the sector.

The one thing that EVERY witness on the panel agreed on was that need to
invest more resources in basic research and encourage MORE students  
to go
into STEM education programs (and strengthen and invest these programs).
These findings were similar to the ones from the ACM globalization  
study (<"
http://www.acm.org/globalizationreport/";>) from last year.

Cameron


On 6/14/07 9:29 AM, "David Farber" <dave () farber net> wrote:

> Begin forwarded message:
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> From: "Robert J. Berger" <rberger () ibd com>
> Date: June 14, 2007 12:10:13 AM EDT
> To: Mike Cheponis <mac () wireless com>
> Cc: David Farber <dave () farber net>, Dewayne Hendricks
> <dewayne () warpspeed com>
> Subject: Re: [IP] One of four U.S. jobs headed overseas 1 and  
> comment on
>
> Well, that will get them far when the entire economy collapses and
> the US becomes the cheap labor pool cause they don't have any
> practical skills and all the goods and services have to come from
> overseas.
>
> The differential in pay between the US and India / China will not
> stay so unbalanced and there are other ways to compete other than
> just salaries.
>
> We have too many lawyers, bankers and "entertainers". None of those
> people create wealth. They just manipulate laws, money or consumers'
> psychology.
>
> The next wave of wealth creation will be in areas like materials, bio-
> tech and quantum computing. The US is falling behind in all of these
> fields as less US citizens are capable of discerning reality from
> spin and have no grasp of basic scientific principals. The main
> reason that high tech work is going overseas is not just because of
> salary, but because there are many more folks there with more
> engineering skills than here. In India and China, being an engineer
> is high prestige. They are producing MANY more science/engineering
> graduates  than we are.
>
> Young people of today need to be preparing themselves to compete with
> brain power, science and engineering. We need to be making our
> society more efficient in every dimension to make us more
> competitive, that too will take science and engineering.
>
> Instead we have been doing the opposite. Dumbing down students,
> rewarding unreality tv fame over real creativity and stifling
> innovation thru re-privatization / monopolization of key  
> infrastructure.
>
> The US is hurtling into making itself a 3rd world nation because it
> encourages its children to be lawyers, bankers, spin-meister
> politicians and unreality TV stars.
>
>
> On Jun 13, 2007, at 6:16 PM, David Farber wrote:
>
> > I've been encouraging smart young folks who have an ounce of
> > ability to COMPLETELY avoid the SCIENCES, TECHNOLOGY, and
> > ENGINEERING sectors, as those jobs will be done by very cheap
> > foreign labor.  There is no point in competing with some guy in
> > China who gets paid a bowl of rice and lives in a tent.
> >
> > Go into INVESTMENT BANKING, LAWYERING, ENTERTAINMENT, SPORTS,
> > FINANCIAL SERVICES or something that can't be offshored.
> >
> > Forget about SCIENCE, ENGINEERING, and TECHNOLOGY - there isn't any
> > future in those fields.
>
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