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Re: The Great Firewall of Norway


From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 13:49:20 -0500



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From: John Morris <jmorris () cdt org>
Date: February 13, 2007 1:43:23 PM EST
To: dave () farber net
Subject: [IP] Re: The Great Firewall of Norway

Dave,

For IP, if appropriate....

Although there are a number of legal and policy problems with Mr. Sandberg explanation and clarification of the Norway proposal (which, to be clear, I have not read, and indeed only know about because of IP). Let me focus on what I think are the key problems:

At 12:06 PM -0500 2/13/07, David Farber wrote:
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From: "Simen E. Sandberg" <senilix () gallerbyen net>
Date: February 13, 2007 11:34:56 AM EST
To: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Subject: Re: [IP] The Great Firewall of Norway
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Gunnar Hansen wrote at February 13, 2007 2:31:08 AM EST:
If this proposal were to become law, Norway would have stricter
Internet censorship than China.

No. The difference is that the Norwegian solution will be supported by
the legal system, so every domain or computer to be filtered will have a
fair trial in a public court. Norway has ratified the Convention of
Human Rights, so the courts will not be able to block political sites in
violation with free speech.

The fallacy with Mr. Sandberg's argument is that, obviously, content on the Internet changes constantly, and even if a Norwegian court court give a "fair trial" to content on a site today, that content may well be different tomorrow, and the "fair trial" that Mr. Sandberg promises is irrelevant to the current content of a site. Unless Norway would provide a 24-hour-a-day on-going "trial" to ensure that the content on the blocked domain continues to contain content that Norway wants to censor, it is unavoidable that Norway will be censoring content that has not received any "trial" whatsoever.

Moreover, the entire domain might change hands, and a wholly unaware new publisher may be using a domain that Norway has decided to block. Because we have no "censored by Norway" flag in our global domain name system, a new domain buyer has no way to know what is blocked (unless Norway plans to make its block list publicly and widely available for all to see, thereby publicizing the very sites that it wants to block).

And fundamentally, I do not believe that Norway could ever give a "fair" trial to, hypothetically, a small non-profit or personal site based in Australia. Unless Norway plans to fly the site owner halfway around the world and pay for an attorney for the site owner, Norway will end up blocking sites not because they "should" be blocked under the Norwegian proposal, but because the site owners cannot afford to defend the sites in Norway. At the end of the day, the Norwegian government would be able to block many sites with no adversarial proceeding whatsoever.

Most critically, the Norwegian proposal (as far as I can tell based on the IP postings) is silent on exactly how the ISPs are expected to block access to the sites. In 2003-2004, I litigated on behalf of the Center of Democracy & Technology a constitutional challenge against a Pennsylvania (in the US) state law that seems to closely track the Norwegian proposal (although only focusing on child pornography sites). We proved in federal court that in an effort to comply with Pennsylvania orders to block access to about 350 child porn websites, the ISPs subject to the blocking orders ended up blocking access to more than 1.5 million wholly unrelated and innocent web sites. The court declared the law to be unconstitutional and enjoined its enforcement. For more info and the court decision, see http://www.cdt.org/headlines/174. We are currently litigating a similar blocking law in the state of Utah (which the federal court there has preliminarily enjoined -- see http://www.cdt.org/headlines/928).

If Norway (or any country) wants to shield its citizens from any particular content on the Internet, it should promote the availability and use of voluntary client-side filtering tools to screen out content that Norway does not like. Here in the U.S., former Attorney General Richard Thornburgh (a respected "law and order" attorney general) headed a two-year-long blue-ribbon study committee -- sponsored the National Academy of Sciences -- that produced a 400 page report on how to protect kids online from pornography. The report, titled "Youth, Pornography and the Internet" (available at http://books.nap.edu/html/youth_internet/), concluded that a combination of education of kids and the use of voluntary filtering tools was the best approach to protecting users from undesired content. This conclusion applies as well in Norway.

John Morris

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