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Posse Comitatus Weakened [From TSCM-L]


From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:56:11 -0500



Begin forwarded message:

From: Peter Thoenen <eol1 () yahoo com>
Date: February 19, 2007 4:50:29 PM EST
To: dave () farber net
Subject: Posse Comitatus Weakened [From TSCM-L]
Reply-To: eol1 () yahoo com

Dave,

Not sure how many of the list readers on here follow John's TSCM-L list
but a particular recent thread there might be of interest to them:

From: reginald_curtis () hotmail com
To: "TSCM-L Professionals List" <TSCM-L2006 () googlegroups com>
Subject: [TSCM-L] Posse Comitatus Weakened
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 07:41:43 -0800

I missed this POSSE COMITATUS development altogether. From today's
New
York Times Feb. 19/07-

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/19/opinion/19mon3.html? th=&emc=th&pagewanted=pri..

"EDITORIAL

MAKING MARTIAL LAW EASIER

A disturbing recent phenomenon in Washington is that laws that strike
to the heart of American democracy have been passed in the dead of
night. So it was with a provision quietly tucked into the enormous
defense budget bill at the Bush administration's  behest that makes
it
easier for a president to override local control of law enforcement
and declare martial law.

The provision, signed into law in October, weakens two obscure but
important bulwarks of national liberty. One is the doctrine that bars
military forces, including a federalized National Guard, from
engaging
in law enforcement. Called posse comitatus, it was enshrined in law
after the Civil War to preserve the line between civil government and
the military. The other is the Insurrection Act of 1807, which
provides the major exemptions to posse comitatus. It essentiallly
limits a president's use of the military in law enforcement to
putting
down lawlessness, insurrection and rebellion, where a state is
violating federal law or depriving people of constitutional rights.

The newly enacted provisions upset this careful balance. They shift
the focus from making sure that federal laws are enforced to
restoring
public order. Beyond cases of actual insurrection, the president may
now use military troops as a domestic police force in response to a
natural disaster, a disease outbreak, terrorist attack or to any
'other condition.'

Changes of this magnitude should be made only after a thorough public
airing. But these new presidential powers were slipped into the law
without hearings or public debate. The president made no mention of
the changes when he signed the measure, and neither the White House
nor Congress consulted in advance with the nation's governors.

There is a bipartisan bill, introduced by Senators Patrick Leahy,
Democrat of Vermont, and Christopher Bond, Republican of Missouri,
and
backed unanimously by the nation's governors, that would repeal the
stealty provisions. Congress should pass it. If changes of this kind
are proposed in the future, they must get a full and open debate."

THE END
Reg Curtis/VE9RWC


Was a real good discussion of this back in '05 but yahoo killed the
archives.



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