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Re: House vote on illegal images sweeps in Wi-Fi, Web sites
From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 03:42:15 -0800
________________________________________ From: Lauren Weinstein [lauren () vortex com] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 11:55 PM To: David Farber Cc: lauren () vortex com Subject: Re: [IP] House vote on illegal images sweeps in Wi-Fi, Web sites Dave, Just as a data point, it's amusing to note that Google Images returns over one million hits on "hentai" alone, including a very creative image I noticed that at first glance appears to be the Thunderbird mail application icon -- but, uh, on closer inspection, isn't. Many of these images are very childlike. Would Google need to file a report for each? Insanity. Attempts to turn ISPs and other Net-related service providers into the morality squad on the scale envisioned by that legislation are simply ludicrous. Protecting children from abuse is one thing, but the term "overreaching" was tailor-made for these kinds of essentially political shenanigans. --Lauren-- Lauren Weinstein lauren () vortex com or lauren () pfir org Tel: +1 (818) 225-2800 http://www.pfir.org/lauren Co-Founder, PFIR - People For Internet Responsibility - http://www.pfir.org Co-Founder, NNSquad - Network Neutrality Squad - http://www.nnsquad.org Founder, PRIVACY Forum - http://www.vortex.com Member, ACM Committee on Computers and Public Policy Lauren's Blog: http://lauren.vortex.com - - -
This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C8384E.AE393B50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: EEkid () aol com [mailto:EEkid () aol com] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 8:28 PM To: dave () farber net; dfarber () cs cmu edu Subject: House vote on illegal images sweeps in Wi-Fi, Web sites http://www.news.com/8301-13578_3-9829759-38.html?tag=repblg "Wednesday's vote caught Internet companies by surprise: the Democratic leadership rushed the SAFE Act to the floor under a procedure that's supposed to be reserved for noncontroversial legislation. It was introduced October 10, but has never received even one hearing or committee vote. In addition, the legislation approved this week has changed substantially since the earlier version <http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:h.r.03791:> and was not available <http://www.downsizedc.org/read_the_laws.shtml> for public review. This is what the SAFE Act requires: Anyone providing an "electronic communication service" or "remote computing service" to the public who learns about the transmission or storage of information about certain illegal activities or an illegal image must (a) register their name, mailing address, phone number, and fax number with the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children's "CyberTipline" and (b) "make a report" to the CyberTipline that (c) must include any information about the person or Internet address behind the suspect activity and (d) the illegal images themselves. (By the way, "electronic communications service" and "remote computing service" providers already have some reporting requirements under existing law too.) " "The definition of which images qualify as illegal is expansive. It includes obvious child pornography, meaning photographs and videos of children being <http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/2252.html> molested. But it also includes photographs <http://www.news.com/Federal-case-may-redefine-child-porn/2100-1030_3-613952 4.html> of fully clothed minors in overly "lascivious" poses, and certain obscene visual <http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/1466A.html> depictions including a "drawing, cartoon, sculpture, or painting." (Yes, that covers the subset of anime called hentai <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hentai> )." _____ Check out AOL Money & Finance's list of the hottest <http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001> products and top <http://money.aol.com/top5/general/ways-you-are-wasting-money?NCID=aoltop000 30000000002> money wasters of 2007. ------------------------------------------- Archives: http://v2.listbox.com/member/archive/247/=now RSS Feed: http://v2.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/247/ Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C8384E.AE393B50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html xmlns:v=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o=3D"urn:schemas-micr= osoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" = xmlns:m=3D"http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns=3D"http:= //www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii"> <meta name=3DGenerator content=3D"Microsoft Word 12 (filtered medium)"> <!--[if !mso]> <style> v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} </style> <![endif]--> <style> <!-- /* Font Definitions */ @font-face {font-family:"Cambria Math"; panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} @font-face {font-family:Calibri; panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} @font-face {font-family:Tahoma; panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink {mso-style-priority:99; color:blue; text-decoration:underline;} a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {mso-style-priority:99;
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91:">version</a> and was <a href=3D"http://www.downsizedc.org/read_the_laws.shtml">not avail= able for public review</a>. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:b= lack'>This is what the SAFE Act requires: Anyone providing an "electronic communication service" or "remote computing service" to the public who learns about the transmission or storage of information about certain illegal activities or an illegal image must (a) register their name, mailing address, phone number, and fax number with the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children's "CyberTipline" and (b) "mak= e a report" to the CyberTipline that (c) must include any information about the person or Internet address behind the suspect activity and (d) the ille= gal images themselves. (By the way, "electronic communications service&quo= t; and "remote computing service" providers already have some report= ing requirements under existing law too.) "<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","s= ans-serif"; color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","s= ans-serif"; color:black'>"The definition of which images qualify as illegal is expansive. It includes obvious child pornography, meaning photographs and videos of children <a href=3D"http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/2252.ht= ml">being molested</a>. But it also includes <a href=3D"http://www.news.com/Federal-case-may-redefine-child-porn/2100-1030_= 3-6139524.html" title=3D"Federal case may redefine child porn -- Thursday, Nov 30, 2006">ph= otographs of fully clothed minors</a> in overly "lascivious" poses, and cer= tain <a href=3D"http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/1466A.html">obscene visual depictions</a> including a "drawing, cartoon, sculpture, or painting." (Yes, that covers the subset of anime called <a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hentai">hentai</a>)."<o:p></o:p><= /span></p> </div> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style=3D'font-siz= e:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><br> <br> <o:p></o:p></span></p> <div> <div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter style=3D'margin-top:7.5pt;text-align:= center'><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <hr size=3D2 width=3D"100%" align=3Dcenter> </span></div> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-top:7.5pt'><span style=3D'font-size:10= .0pt; font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Check out AOL Money & Fin= ance's list of the <a href=3D"http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=3Daoltop0003000= 0000001" target=3D"_blank" title=3D"http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=3Daoltop000300= 00000001">hottest products</a> and <a href=3D"http://money.aol.com/top5/general/ways-you-are-wasting-money?NCID= =3Daoltop00030000000002" target=3D"_blank" title=3D"http://money.aol.com/top5/general/ways-you-are-wasting-money?NCID= =3Daoltop00030000000002">top money wasters</a> of 2007.<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </div> <div style=3D"padding:0 4px 4px 4px;background-color:#fff;clear:both" bgcol= or=3D"#ffffff"> <hr> <table border=3D"0" cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" width=3D"100%" styl= e=3D"background-color:#fff" bgcolor=3D"#ffffff"> <tr> <td padding=3D"4px"> <font color=3D"black" size=3D"1" face=3D"helvetica, sans-serif;"> <a style=3D"text-decoration:none;color:#669933;border-bottom: 1px sol= id #444444" href=3D"http://v2.listbox.com/member/archive/247/=3Dnow" title=3D"Go to arc= hives for ip">Archives</a> <a border=3D"0" style=3D"text-decoration:none;color:#669933" href=3D"http:/= /v2.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/247/" title=3D"RSS feed for ip"><img bor= der=3D0 src=3D"https://www.listbox.com/images/feed-icon-10x10.jpg"></a> <td valign=3D"top" align=3D"right"><a style=3D"border-bottom:none;" href=3D= "http://www.listbox.com"> <img src=3D"https://www.listbox.com/images/listbox-logo-small.jpg" title=3D"Powered by Listbox" border=3D"0" /></a></td> </font> </td> </tr> </table> </div> </body> </html> ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C8384E.AE393B50--
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