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From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 12:32:23 -0400
Begin forwarded message: From: "Steven M. Bellovin" <smb () cs columbia edu> Date: June 7, 2006 12:20:42 PM EDT To: dave () farber net Cc: h_bray () globe com Subject: Re: [IP] Who they're spying on On Wed, 7 Jun 2006 11:53:48 -0400, David Farber <dave () farber net> wrote:
The issue has never been whether or not there are bad guys or even whetherIn all the fuss about the NSA spying issue, it's sometimes forgotten that there are real bad guys out there, who badly need to be spied on. Here's a story that makes the point, from today's London Times.
or not there should be spying. The issue is the authorization to do so, and the checks and balances on surveillance requests.The Fourth Amendment recognized this, more than 200 years ago. It doesn't outlaw searches; it does, however, require an outside check on what is to be searched and why. Without such checks, we're open to arbitrary abuses
of executive power. We've already seen the claim that the government isusing the phone call databases to track down leakers. Is this legal? I'm
hard-put to think that it is, since they're using the very sort of broadspectrum fishing that is specifically barred by the Fourth Amendment. (By the way, don't make the mistake of thinking that traffic analysis is new,
and hence unanticipatable by the framers of the Bill of Rights. I recently stumbled on a report of a spy, noting who was meeting, how frequently, and how many messages were sent out following such meetings. This was in 1603.) --Steven M. Bellovin, http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb ------------------------------------- You are subscribed as lists-ip () insecure org To manage your subscription, go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/?listname=ip Archives at: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/
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