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From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 18:17:44 -0400



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From: "Brock N. Meeks" <bmeeks () cox net>
Date: June 16, 2006 5:59:12 PM EDT
To: dave () farber net
Subject: Re: [IP] more on Who they're spying on DO READ

When I was reporting this story for MSNBC, I asked TSA about what might be
done to mitigate the situation, short of a blowing up the entire flawed
system...

The answers weren't great but they do seem to help streamline things and
eliminate a lot of frustration for people, at least based on the feedback
from those that I've heard from that have used these techniques.

Basically, provide as much personal information as you possible can to the airline (already many reading this are cringing, rightly so). Even a causal reader of this list knows that there is always, ALWAYS a compromise to be
made when choosing convenience over security (and yes, I know, in this
instance we, the public, shouldn't have to make that compromise, I agree
fully).

So, if you're getting caught in this TSA net, here's what to do:

When buying tickets always book using your full name, first middle and last. Even providing a middle initial will help eliminate a lot of problems I've
found out.  Providing your full middle name, even better.

If you can provide your home address, better.  If you can provide a
birthday, better still.

All this helps "set you apart" from the other "Rick Nelson's" (or whomever)
out there.

It's not a great workaround and we shouldn't have to do this but for those that want an alternative, this seems to work for a great number of people.


On 6/16/06 5:23 PM, "David Farber" <dave () farber net> wrote:



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From: Jeff Jonas <jeffjonas () us ibm com>
Date: June 16, 2006 8:10:10 AM EDT
To: dave () farber net
Subject: Re: [IP] Who they're spying on DO READ


Dave, feel free to post or just share with your anonymous friend
directly ... your call.

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Dear Anonymous,

It is more likely that your wife has been "wrongly matched" (i.e.,
false positive) rather than "wrongly named" (i.e., she is actually
the person named on the list).  Paul Rosenzweig and I wrote about
this in greater detail in this Heritage Foundation paper (http://
www.heritage.org/Research/HomelandDefense/lm17.cfm).

The challenge is preventing your wife from repeated infringements.
This highlights the need for watch list redress and remedies to the
growing false positive problem which is being caused by the ever
growing size of the watch list and ongoing lack of watch list
fidelity (i.e., sparse attributes) which result in many false matches
based on name similarity alone.
Jeff Jonas
Distinguished Engineer and
Chief Scientist
IBM Entity Analytics
702.851.4697
JeffJonas () us ibm com
My blog: www.jeffjonas.typepad.com

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From: Anonymous
Date: June 15, 2006
Subject: Re: Who they're spying on

There are many unknown consequences from the recent laws
circumventing privacy and security constraints on the government.
For example, the TSA "Do Not Fly" (DNF) list is being used by law
enforcement agencies to capture anyone with an outstanding want or
warrant.  As we all know TSA will not tell you why your name is on
the list.  Moreover, they will not say where the names come from that
are on the list.

My wife ended up on the list, which lead to a 2+ hour wait to be
cleared at the airport. During that time we talked with several TSA
people and one police officer.  After TSA finally decided she could
fly, they invoked the standard procedure to clear someone which was
to have a local police officer run a warrant/want check.  I mentioned
to the TSA officer that the DNF list sounds like a good way to
capture anyone wanted for a crime. He said yes, and I believe he said
that some law enforcement organizations were putting many names on
the list.

I asked Dave to make this posting anonymous because after this
problem with the DNF list, which went on for several months/trips, my
wife and I are much less willing to publicly confront our government.


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