Interesting People mailing list archives
more on Search queries *can* contain personal information
From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 14:48:27 -0500
Begin forwarded message: From: Henrik Brameus <blondino () gmail com> Date: January 21, 2006 2:38:10 PM EST To: dave () farber netSubject: Re: [IP] more on Search queries *can* contain personal information
Hello Dave, If you think it's relevant, please forward to IP Henrik One thing that I find curious about this whoe incident is that Google's privacy policy (http://www.google.com/intl/en/privacypolicy.html#information) sas the following about information sharing: <blockquote>Information sharing Google only shares personal information with other companies or individuals outside of Google in the following limited circumstances: - We have your consent. We require opt-in consent for the sharing of any sensitive personal information. - We provide such information to our subsidiaries, affiliated companies or other trusted businesses or persons for the purpose of processing personal information on our behalf. We require that these parties agree to process such information based on our instructions and in compliance with this Policy and any other appropriate confidentiality and security measures. - We have a good faith belief that access, use, preservation or disclosure of such information is reasonably necessary to (a) satisfy any applicable law, regulation, legal process or enforceable governmental request, (b) enforce applicable Terms of Service, including investigation of potential violations thereof, (c) detect, prevent, or otherwise address fraud, security or technical issues, or (d) protect against imminent harm to the rights, property or safety of Google, its users or the public as required or permitted by law. </blockquote> In the third bullet point they say that they will share it to satisfy any applicable law, regulation, legal process or enforceable governmental request. IANAL, but I thought that a legally obtained subpoena would fall into that category. If the request on top of that are search URLs and search terms from one week, all separatd from personal identifying information, then I think that they are creating a storm in teacup. If thy were to challenge the legality of this, shouldn't they (again IANAL) at least file something to that effet, rathere than just flatly refusing to comply. Henrik On 21/01/06, David Farber <dave () farber net> wrote:
Begin forwarded message: From: Bill Stewart <bill.stewart () pobox com> Date: January 20, 2006 7:59:03 PM EST To: dave () farber net Subject: RE: more on Search queries *can* contain personal information Lauren commented on the wide range of things that people search for, and it keeps getting wider as Google and other search engines add features. I regularly type in names, phone numbers, addresses, and lat/longs, IP addresses, AS numbers, patent numbers, Cisco part numbers, etc., sometimes to find maps, or businesses, or phone book information, and there are a number of websites I use for business for which Google is a much more effective search tool than the site's own indexes. Sometimes I've even typed in my own name when looking for cached versions of mailing list articles in the distant past (non-specific ego-surfing isn't very useful if your name's not sufficiently unique - AltaVista had over 50,000 hits for people with similar names when it first came out - but there are times that specific searches are useful.) As somebody who regularly used Google during the specified period, do I have a right to object to the court if Gonzales wants my data? I hereby declare any phone numbers, addresses, and medical information in my searches to be Confidential, though the subpoena doesn't allow the recipients to declare their entire document as Confidential. Furthermore, the subpoena indicates that for every document not produced by Google due to confidentiality or trade secrecy, the respondents want the authors' and recipients' names, addresses, dates, etc. - but for this type of information, that disclosure includes the confidential portion and more, not less. Gonzales et al. allege that they're looking for information about theeffectiveness of web filters as a tool for protecting children, so they want to look at popular search terms to see what people are looking at.But if I search for a term like "Scooter Libby", am I looking for information about him as an friend, or a Republican Henchperson, or a well-known pornographer? His original request wanted _all_ the search terms, including my attempts to find relatives' current mailingaddresses, and makes it available to all attorneys and employees of theDepartment of Justice who are involved in the case - but that's all of them, given Gonzales's War on Obscenity, and nothing in the subpoena forbids them from making other uses of the information, such as using my searches for medical marijuana information for Drug War purposes. Brad Templeton talks about issues of identifying IP addresses, and the Tor project certainly helps - but there are other web surfing privacy tools, like The Anonymizer and other proxies, which are generally faster, more scalable, and effective at protecting content, though they're still susceptible to subpoenas for any information that they may have retained. Thanks; Bill Stewart ------------------------------------- You are subscribed as blondino () gmail com To manage your subscription, go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/?listname=ipArchives at: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting- people/
-- "If you're right 98% of the time, why quibble about the remaining 3%?" Henrik Brameus - http://www.benitel.com/ - blondino () gmail com.invalid MSN: hbrameus () hotmail com ------------------------------------- You are subscribed as lists-ip () insecure org To manage your subscription, go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/?listname=ip Archives at: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/
Current thread:
- more on Search queries *can* contain personal information David Farber (Jan 21)
- <Possible follow-ups>
- more on Search queries *can* contain personal information David Farber (Jan 21)
- more on Search queries *can* contain personal information David Farber (Jan 22)
- more on Search queries *can* contain personal information David Farber (Jan 22)