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more on Setting history straight: So, who really did invent the Internet?


From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 14:18:56 -0400



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From: Bjørn Vermo <bv () norbionics com>
Date: May 3, 2005 5:08:22 AM EDT
To: dave () farber net, ip <ip () v2 listbox com>
Subject: Re: [IP] more on Setting history straight: So, who really did invent the Internet?


On Mon, 02 May 2005 18:49:54 +0200, Dave Farber <dave () farber net> wrote:




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From: Mike O'Dell <mo () ccr org>
Sent: 2/5/'05,  9:36


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I was particularly taken by the comments about how it might still
be "the internet" if done with X.25 or ATM.

sorry - but that could not be, other than as some grandios technological edifice. those "telco" technologies were created specifically to provide
for central planning and control of innovation (aka "new services").
the power of that control can be seen in how successfully ISDN was
crushed in the US.  In that world, "new services" (not necessarily
innovative) are doled out by the network operators, in concert with
their handmaiden equipment providers, on geologic time scales.



In some circles, a myth about the badness of X.25 has grown more or less unchallenged. Like most myths, it is spread by those with no firsthand experience. The truth is that the Internet was built in most places with lines leased from companies which were every bit as centralized as and often identical to the providers of X.25 connections. It is not the bottom three layers of the OSI model that makes or breaks internetworking, it is what you put on top of it and how you make a culture to deal with and access it.

It is true that X.25 was effectively killed in the US, just as ISDN was, by the operators who pandered to high-volume analog telephone users to the detriment of any kind of digital service. I never quite understood the logic behind it, but from the outside it looked like somebody had over-invested in copper cables and analog switches and were unwilling to admit it. X.21 was never even implemented in the US to my knowledge, but Canada had a line switched network for a while.

In other countries, it was cost-effective to use both packet switching and line switching even at monopoly prices. We made all kinds of hybrid internetworking. Much of it was a set of really ugly kludges, but innovation and creativity were certainly not stifled by using infrastructure provided by rigid monopolies. On the contrary, finding new ways to route information more cheaply by using different underlying services in different countries and areas led to a large number of innovative gateways. Given time, it is quite reasonable to think that a unified worldwide internet could have evolved from it. It would probably have been a network with less centralized control than the Internet we have today.

Nor is a totally unfettered and individualistic approach to networking guaranteed to further innovation. Look at Fidonet - it was a hobbyist approach to networking, but was so religious about the smallest common denominator that it hardly evolved.

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-bv


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